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Waterdeep and all D&D Settings Must Be Just Like 2018 Seattle OR ELSE!

Started by RPGPundit, September 11, 2018, 10:53:53 PM

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Armchair Gamer

Quote from: RandyB;1055841I'm eagerly awaiting Paladin for all the reasons that the usual suspects are going to flip out about, and because it's going to be awesome in its own right.

  Can't argue with either part of that; the Kickstarter has seduced me into getting every add-on. :)

Mordred Pendragon

Left a comment on your video, Pundit. Keep fighting the good fight, my man.

Like I said there, the SJW's at WOTC can kiss my bisexual weeaboo redneck hillbilly Roman pagan ass.
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KingCheops

This is the exact same passage that triggered me to post in that other thread.

It actually gets a little worse.  Check out your neighbors on Trollskull Alley.  It's a Rainbow of Diversity!

Also why the fuck is a Waterdhavian referring to themselves as a Private Investigator and not as a Thief Taker or maybe Detective (I guess he couldn't come up with a good twist on Pinkerton)?  That seems more in place with Sharn.

RPGPundit

Quote from: ArrozConLeche;1055824What do you make of this gushing polygon article on the latest adventure to drop?

https://www.polygon.com/2018/9/11/17845902/dungeons-and-dragons-waterdeep-dragon-heist-review

Being polygon, I find it intrinsically untrustworthy and I sure won't be dropping $40 to find out for sure.

It's obviously absolute garbage, filled with ridiculous "DRAMA!!" and scripted speeches full of shit writing.
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Quote from: Haffrung;1055831Then he gushes over how the book is tremendously immersive and original because the author explains that Waterdeep has four seasons and describes in a sentence or so what each of those season feels like - and those seasons correspond to those of the Pacific Northwest. What astonishing creativity and imagination!

I'm pretty sure the four seasons happen in more places than the pacific northwest.
I actually found that part Interesting. Kind of like the tarot reading in the Ravenloft module.
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Quote from: RandyB;1055841I'm eagerly awaiting Paladin for all the reasons that the usual suspects are going to flip out about, and because it's going to be awesome in its own right.

It does look great. Of course, they flip out from Lion & Dragon. The real question about which is more controversial will depend on if Stafford chickens out about depicting the Islamic invasion of Europe as exactly what it was: a bloodthirsty conquest.
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Quote from: RPGPundit;1055886The real question about which is more controversial will depend on if Stafford chickens out about depicting the Islamic invasion of Europe as exactly what it was: a bloodthirsty conquest.

   I have the Kickstarter draft, and the thing is, this is based on the Europe of the Carolingian epics and gestes, which means you don't have Muslims--you have Moors and Saracens who "venerate Mahomet, Apollo, Tervagant and Jupiter." (359) The only appearance of the word Islam in the text is the bibliographic entry for Islamic and Christian Spain in the Early Middle Ages (Princeton, 1979).

Alderaan Crumbs

Quote from: Rhedyn;1055823The market is segmenting. Soon their will be those that can appease the SJW hate-fest, and literally everyone else.

Really it's just a matter of enough writers, fans, and reviewers being driven off the Big Purple circle that they can form their own community.

It's not like people actually compete for shelf space anymore at stores, you can get everything you ever wanted online and someone's home is more comfortable. You can get a group for any game as long as you are willing to run it yourself and have friends.

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Quote from: Haffrung;1055831... is so cloyingly anodyne that it's about as inspiring and exotic as a vanilla cupcake.

why does everyone always pick on Vanilla?


Another timely example of where WOTC is going with the FR: RA Salvatore's "Drizzt" book released last week, "Timeless". Literally every chapter has at least one reference to some character's sexual promiscuity as if it's a badge of honor. Don't get me wrong, I like sex, but the way this is used in this book just makes the characters hollow and empty. It's the sort of thing I'd expect from a sophomoric author lacking original ideas for deeper character development. Furthermore, Salvatore pulls out all the stops to make clear social justice allegories (OMG racist Drow!! Not again!!) basically re-hashing the same unoriginal material and internal character dialogs that's already covered in prior books. Over. And over..

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Quote from: KingCheops;1055862This is the exact same passage that triggered me to post in that other thread.

 I've watched the video now ... does Pundit make any editorial changes beyond replacing "Waterdeep" with "Seattle"? Because a couple of bits in there (the "cross-dressing" line in particular) felt too tin-eared and on the nose even for WotC. :)

QuoteIt actually gets a little worse.  Check out your neighbors on Trollskull Alley.  It's a Rainbow of Diversity!

  I glanced at that in my FLGS tonight, but only the first few entries. One question: are there any families with children in there?

KingCheops

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1055893I've watched the video now ... does Pundit make any editorial changes beyond replacing "Waterdeep" with "Seattle"? Because a couple of bits in there (the "cross-dressing" line in particular) felt too tin-eared and on the nose even for WotC. :)

 

  I glanced at that in my FLGS tonight, but only the first few entries. One question: are there any families with children in there?

Not that I noticed but I haven't sat down and listened to it with that passage open.  The cross-dressing reads as bad as it sounds.

Not detailed.  Residences are left unfilled and only the other businesses are detailed.  The only other mention of children is several halfling ones getting fried in a fireball that sets off the chain of events.

thedungeondelver

If you want to culture-jam 5e just make sure you stick to human paladin, set fire to anyone/anything that falls outside of conformity with your God, and remember the phrase : "My armour is contempt.  My shield is disgust.  My sword is hatred.  In God's name, let none survive."
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Mcbobbo sums it up nicely.

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Aglondir

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1055885I'm pretty sure the four seasons happen in more places than the pacific northwest.
I actually found that part Interesting. Kind of like the tarot reading in the Ravenloft module.

Quote from: Polygon reviewYou see, in choosing the season, your gaming group will also choose the campaign's villain. There are four in all to choose from, and once settled on one the other three can either fade into the background or become grudging allies to the player characters. From there, the adventure spirals into a gritty, urban drama that culminates in a madcap dash around the city, all befitting the tropes of a proper heist movie.

That actually sounds... interesting.

Aglondir

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Well said.

HappyDaze

Quote from: Haffrung;1055830Anyone know if the latest Warhammer setting has been turned into vanilla-happy-awesome land?
It has a few tweaks to make non-humans a little more integrated: there are populations of refugee dwarfs living in the largest cites of the Empire that descend from fallen holds in the surrounding mountains, halflings are an nearly invisible minority throughout the Empire, a small enclave of high elves lives in Altdorf and high elf ships are somewhat more common on the Reik, small groups of wood elves wander throughout the Empire but are rarely trusted. So it's a little more open to non-human characters, but it's still a dark and hash world.