So I'm actually liking the adventure itself.  It's pretty short but good.  I think they really should have done this adventure for Eberron and found something more suitable to do in Waterdeep -- especially since this is just a "here's how to level them up for our next release".

Quote from: S'mon;1056346I think that's about right, with the proviso that there are lots of horrible apolitical people on the Internet too. When they are being mean to women & other Protected Groups, the socjus people assume they are Right Wing and of course emblematic of Systemic Oppression.

But there aren't many genuinely conservative people who are horrible. There are some self-described Alt-Right who are pretty bad (& some who aren't).

Well, there is a tendency for certain people to act like jerks online. I don't think that it's partisan or has any relationship to the various demographic groups that the SJW's are obsessed about. Once you get used to that, then the mean minority of Internet users are just background noise.

I don't think that the right really ruins people's fun or pose a real world danger to people like the left do.

Quote from: S'mon;1056346I think that's about right, with the proviso that there are lots of horrible apolitical people on the Internet too. When they are being mean to women & other Protected Groups, the socjus people assume they are Right Wing and of course emblematic of Systemic Oppression.

No, they're not assuming.  They are CLAIMING that ANYONE who questions their views as Alt-Right or Nazi, and then promote violence.

Quote from: S'mon;1056346But there aren't many genuinely conservative people who are horrible. There are some self-described Alt-Right who are pretty bad (& some who aren't).

Most people aren't.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056292*stuff*

Hmm, you appear to have missed the first part of my statement and added extra context elsewhere. That's OK, I understand commas are confusing. So let me restate:

Only the weak minded or those with an agenda assume someone holds the views they present in their work. So if it's not due to an agenda it's due to plain simple mindedness, especially when it comes to obvious parodies which actually do reflect their views.

Quote from: ShieldWife;1056336doxxing people and trying to get people fired, expelled, or generally terrorized is an extremely common leftist tactic now.

You're not wrong.

I wonder what they're hoping to achieve with it.

The dominant cultural mindset always comes with the ability to intimidate others socially, and sometimes to get away with extending that into others personal lives, their jobs, etc.  A certain amount of that happens automatically, almost by osmosis. The major difference at the moment is perhaps that we have a cultural mindset that is dominating almost all methods of cultural transmission, but is not shared by anywhere near the majority of the populace.  It might be akin to, say, English nobility/upper class control over England at various times (though I'm only guessing from indirect, imperfect sources).  

When people are telling you that you must reinforce the cultural mindset in your leisure activities, or else, they are on a crusade.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1056393You're not wrong.

I wonder what they're hoping to achieve with it.

Control. It's their end game, control of everything so they can be moral arbiter of the 'world'.

Stick to the RPG themed topic. If you start bringing up broader news items in the culture war I'll have to start issuing warnings, and I don't want to do that.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1056393That's OK, I understand commas are confusing.

Is that why you havent't finished writing the KS?

Quote from: Gagarth;1056312People were posting games that were exclusively for women or LGBTIA+ according to the original Code of Conduct this was not allowed but went unsanctioned by the mods even when these posting were questioned. With the new wording they are explicit, it is fine and dandy to exclude straight white guys from your game. Also now if one of the "oppressed" i.e. anyone who is not a straight white guy does not get accepted to game they can sic the mods onto the GM.

What an exclusive inclusivity policy!

That's a lawsuit waiting to happen, if Roll20 doesn't implode from its utter stupidity.

Quote from: Gagarth;1056312Was the  "particularly towards those that face systemic oppression" to subtle for you?

No, but I was actually surprised they recognized the creepiness of token recruiting.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1056321Yeah that is a crazy idea. I do not know who you are arguing with though.

The invisible gnome in the corner. That little ass keeps mouthing off.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056447Is that why you havent't finished writing the KS?

If only it were possible to write physical dice into existence, it would have been done before it began. Sadly my mastery over matter is not at that level.

Does the new Waterdeep have $6 cups of milk tinted with coffee and $3.50 vegan artisan donuts?

It seems to beg for a parody product, with some of those very 'incorrect' tables from the original City State of the Invincible Overlord.

"Starbucks Fantasy".

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1055946Moreover, I wouldn't buy Price of Freedom because I found the whole thing paranoically jingoistic and ignorant of history and geopolitics.

Be honest you wouldn't buy Price of Freedom because you are a commie fuck and find it offensive because you have the same sort of Stalinist ideas as the Goldsmiths, University of London student group.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1056456What an exclusive inclusivity policy!
No, but I was actually surprised they recognized the creepiness of token recruiting.
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They had done with original text before the "systemic oppression" was added. I have not seen any posts with  "seeking African American" or "seeking Gay to represent" type posts so the whole idea tokenism is bollocks.  But there have been plenty of LGBTIA+ and women only posts.

The rot is now spreading to Glorantha/Runequest. A lot of Glorantha cultures have had multiple genders and sexes before all the this SJW  fascism so they cannot target that so they are going after the in game myths so they are safe for women.

QuoteAm I the only one who finds the Wooing of Ernalda story (Glorantha Sourcebook, p. 115, but also in Heortling Mythology) incredibly creepy?
Let's break this down. According to the myth, Orlanth goes to Ernalda and demands her earth from her. She agrees to a trade (earth for bullroarer), but when he goes back home, his brothers make fun of him. So he goes back to Ernalda and vehemently insults her for humiliating her (which she hasn't actually done). He threatens to attack her, so she calms him down by returning the bullroarer and having sex with him. He goes back to his brothers, who again mock him, so he goes back to Ernalda again In a blind rage and forces Ernalda to beg for mercy from him. Then he marries her.

This looks an awful lot like domestic violence. The boyfriend gets mocked by his male friends for being gentle, so he demonstrates his physical power by attacking his girlfriend, who appeases him with sex and ultimately agrees to marry him because she's afraid to say no. His friends are taunting him into abusing his girlfriend, and he blames her for the fact that his friends are being dicks to him. This is literally exactly how toxic masculinity operates in the real world.

I get that this is supposed to be a demonstration of how Earth calms Air. But it reads as a mythic justification for men engaging in violence against women

QuoteAs I'm sure we're all aware, table-top gaming has a long history of not being very friendly to female players. Glorantha is, I think, a friendlier game world for women than a lot of the alternatives, but I know a couple of women who find the highly-gendered nature of Glorantha pretty uncomfortable, and a myth like this strikes me as likely to trigger female players who have experienced domestic violence or rape. I'm in the early stages of planning a large-scale Sartar LARP that will probably involve a fair number of female players, so I need to be thinking about how a myth like this is going to read to female players.

QuoteThat's great if we're all Bronze Age people just living our lives. But we're not. We're 21st century people playing a game. The kind of stories we choose to tell when we game have impacts on us and how we think about our lives and our world. Telling misogynistic stories encourages misogyny.