Quote from: Mike the Mage;1055950As I said, I doubt any designer knows me well enough to hate me personally, but should Pundit decide that Anarcho-Syndicalists are commie pinkos whom he hates, then I will be putting Lion & Dragon up on ebay, I guess.

That is should I follow the "sound advice" in your distinction which seems to indicate that when somebody disagrees with me, they hate me, but when I disagree with somebody, I hate their ideas


Shame about L&D, cos I liked it a lot.

Sadly, modern left American politics do take the stance, "people who support Trump are deplorable" rather than "supporting Trump is deplorable".

I've only seen Pundit hate on censors and mob justice groups. Those people have political views, but I only see him hate people for actions not beliefs.

Pundit isn't "right leaning" as far as I can tell. But "right leaning" people tend to attack ideas more than people, but I've definitely met people who don't follow that. For example, the most out-there theories of Democrat politicians just being evil, still do not attack "their brainwashed supporters" as being evil.

I'd like to offer a reverse example, but nothing springs to mind of anything sufficiently crazy on the left where they do not attack people and attack the ideas instead.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1055946Moreover, I wouldn't buy Price of Freedom because I found the whole thing paranoically jingoistic and ignorant of history and geopolitics.

That, said, the author, Greg Costikyan, I respect enormously and he has made it clear that the views in the game or not his own (see interview in link below).

http://www.juhanapettersson.com/2015/04/non-digital-better-dead-than-red/

You needed an interview to figure that out??

Have you ever even read it?
It's obviously meant to be satire/parody.
We realized this when we were playing it back when it came out... and we were only 13 or so.
This is the same company that did Paranoia after all.

Quote from: moonsweeper;1055977You needed an interview to figure that out??

Have you ever even read it?
It's obviously meant to be satire/parody.
We realized this when we were playing it back when it came out... and we were only 13 or so.
This is the same company that did Paranoia after all.

Why would anyone assume someone holds the views presented in their work?

Why would someone care?

Maybe that's another reason I find "woke" media boring. It's so intolerant of other viewpoints that "woke" authors feel bad for even being able to conceive them, let alone letting such things diversify their media.

Quote from: S'mon;1055926It sounds like it could make a decent 32 page urban adventure, like The Veiled Society.

It's not bad.  I'm reading through it now.  It probably requires less prep work than most of the other published adventures but I think it can probably have the BEST value add by fleshing it out more.  If that makes sense.

Quote from: Rhedyn;1055980Why would anyone assume someone holds the views presented in their work?

Some people -do- hold the views in their work, and other people can't get out of their own headspace enough to understand differing viewpoints, let alone present them in a manner a follower of said viewpoints would have.  But there are a few people (we generally consider them "talented") who can espouse a view they don't share without rendering it down to caricature.  

Ironically, "smart" people know that when a person plays a child molester or murderer or whatever in a movie, they don't really live that way.  But an author (or in this case, game developer) -must- be dumping out some personal fantasy of theirs.  Hence laughing at "magical realms".

The rot is spreading further from the setting to who you want to game with. Roll20 has,within the last two days,  changed their code of conduct regarding inclusivity. Previously it had been this.

QuoteAll LFG posts should be in the spirit of, "our group is open to players of all genders". While we can appreciate your desire for inclusion, specifically targeting as such ends up being an issue of tokenization-- looking to fill a spot with an arbitrary token of a person, instead of truly being open

To this.

QuoteYou may advertise seeking to associate with those whom you share a common background (gender, cultural background, etc.). However, if in this process your post is discriminatory, inflammatory, or spends time on exclusion-- particularly towards those that face systemic oppression-- the post will be removed and be subject to further moderation as necessary.
You may not create a post seeking someone of a different background that you do not share. While we appreciate your desire for inclusion, specifically targeting a group in your post becomes an issue of tokenism and is not permitted. This will result in your post being removed and further moderation as necessary.

Of course this was not announced just slipped in under the wire.

These days, for a whole lot of reasons, I tend to be attracted to European rpg games in translation.

This is what it must feel like to live through a religious mania. Each month the zealots strive passionately to outdo one another in their piety and vigilance. Reason is in flight. It's at once fascinating and absurd.

Quote from: Haffrung;1056029This is what it must feel like to live through a religious mania. Each month the zealots strive passionately to outdo one another in their piety and vigilance. Reason is in flight. It's at once fascinating and absurd.

'Feel like'?  It IS.  This is all there is to it, 'Our "thing" is more pure than yours!  BURN HERETIC!'

Quote from: Rhedyn;1055963For example, the most out-there theories of Democrat politicians just being evil, still do not attack "their brainwashed supporters" as being evil.

Democrats are right-leaning.

As for not hating lefties: "better dead than red".

Anyway, surely the only version of Waterdeep to bother with is this one.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1055934Don't buy products made by people who despise you. Buy stuff by designers who don't hate you.

I doubt that any designers know enough about me to hate me personally, but if the above line is meant to advise us not to buy products of authors whose opinions outside of gaming we vehemently disagree with, then by an large that is terrible advice.

If I understand his political POV correctly, then people who agree with Michael Parenti are not Pundit's cup of tea.

However, if Pundit wants me to give me back my money, I will regretfully hand over my copy of Lion & Dragon.

What it actually means is "don't buy stuff from designers that despise Gamers and Gaming, and want people who don't strictly follow their totalitarian agenda driven out of the hobby".

Quote from: RPGPundit;1056051What it actually means is "don't buy stuff from designers that despise Gamers and Gaming, and want people who don't strictly follow their totalitarian agenda driven out of the hobby".

On that I can agree wholeheartedly.

There is a parrellel here with what a critic Rich Evans said about the new Godawful Ghostbusters film: he said that the people making the film, writers, director etcetera seemed to flipping the bird at the fans of the original film. As if they hated their own target audience.

That is an arrogance and contempt that I have seen in TV, film, books and now gaming.

And its usually aimed at nerds. And if nerds return the antipathy it's called "bullying" "abuse" or some fkn "-ism".

But that's exactly it: they  hate their own target audience, who they want to "punish" for the perceived "crimes" of western civilization.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1056063But that's exactly it: they  hate their own target audience, who they want to "punish" for the perceived "crimes" of western civilization.

The crimes of Western Civilisation is an excuse: SJWs are as complicit in them as anybody else is; i.e. anywhere from not complicit at all to intrinsically complicit by virure of having been born depending on your historical POV.

My personal take is that the powerful have always screwed the rest of the population. I'm English (well, half-Scottish) and the Empire's first colony was Ireland. White.as.lillies. So clearly the British rulers didn't discriminate about who they colonised and oppressed.

I have no aristocratic ancestory so I am not related to those rulers and my ancestors did not benefit from their behaviour. In fact, not a lot later, my ancestors were sent down coal mines as toddlers. I grew up in Jarrow: famous for its poverty and that was under Thatcher. So I feel I have fuck all to apologise for.

Especially to some pretentious over-privildged sack of pretentious shit telling me how I've oppressed her/him/marklar.

All that is BS about Social Justice is an excuse to whale on nerds, neckbeards, geeks, grognards and generally anybody they hold in contempt and feel they can bully and get away with it

A lot of these hipster-looking blue rinses are out and out narcissists and narcissists are cruel.

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1056066the Empire's first colony was Ireland.

That doesn't make much sense. You might as well say the "Empire's" first colony was Wales.

Talking about "The Empire" was really a 19th* century thing (really got going with the direct takeover of India from the East India Company), when Ireland was part of the United Kingdom.

*ok, Google Ngram suggests 1775 - https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=British+Empire&year_start=1500&year_end=2000&corpus=15&smoothing=3&share=&direct_url=t1%3B%2CBritish%20Empire%3B%2Cc0