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Waterdeep and all D&D Settings Must Be Just Like 2018 Seattle OR ELSE!

Started by RPGPundit, September 11, 2018, 10:53:53 PM

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Mike the Mage

Quote from: Gagarth;1056607Be honest you wouldn't buy Price of Freedom because you are a commie fuck and find it offensive because you have the same sort of Stalinist ideas as the Goldsmiths, University of London student group.

Actually I would describe myself as an Anarcho-Syndicalist and I find myself agreeing with Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, John Pilger and Julian Assange.

As for "commie fuck" and "Stalanist" that kind of language places you in the same league as the SJW's: i.e. smear, label and insult anybody that holds a different opinion than yourself.

Well done, mate. You're one of them.
When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed

Spinachcat

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1057177Actually I would describe myself as an Anarcho-Syndicalist

You're in the spider mafia? :cool:

TJS

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1057177Actually I would describe myself as an Anarcho-Syndicalist and I find myself agreeing with Noam Chomsky, Michael Parenti, John Pilger and Julian Assange.

As for "commie fuck" and "Stalanist" that kind of language places you in the same league as the SJW's: i.e. smear, label and insult anybody that holds a different opinion than yourself.

Well done, mate. You're one of them.
Gagarth has never, to my knoweldge, posted any thing to this forum that wasn't purely political.

He's basically just a troll hoping to find a sympathetic audience.

Mike the Mage

Quote from: TJS;1057185Gagarth has never posted, to my knoweldge, posted any thing to this forum that wasn't purely political.

He's basically just a troll hoping to find a sympathetic audience.

Thanks for the heads up. Appreciated.

I will get back on topic: one of the problems of making a city in  a D&D campaign more palatable to ones moral and political sensibilities is that there's less for the PCs to do there.

Lankhmar is a fairly dystopian society and Port Blacksand was introduced in FF as a "City of Thieves".

In fact I would suggest that, unless the city is being used as a "safe haven" for the PC's between adventures ourside its walls, then the city must be dangerous and full of wrongs that need to be righted.

I think Pundit made this point about a supplement for MERP/TOR/AIMM that focused on Rivendale.

It would be ironic if the Waterdeep of Wonderful Politics was overturned by a group of Neutral Evil PCs that wanted to reintroduce prejudice and intolerance in order to divide and rule the city.
When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed

Gagarth

Quote from: TJS;1057185Gagarth has never, to my knoweldge, posted any thing to this forum that wasn't purely political.
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Where is it stated that you have to make non-political posts and who made you the gatekeeper of this forum.
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Mike the Mage

When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed

TJS

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1057192Thanks for the heads up. Appreciated.

I will get back on topic: one of the problems of making a city in  a D&D campaign more palatable to ones moral and political sensibilities is that there's less for the PCs to do there.

Lankhmar is a fairly dystopian society and Port Blacksand was introduced in FF as a "City of Thieves".

In fact I would suggest that, unless the city is being used as a "safe haven" for the PC's between adventures ourside its walls, then the city must be dangerous and full of wrongs that need to be righted.
Yes.  You run the risk of beings being purely reactive, with nothing much to do unless the DM is throwing threats to the status quo at the PCs for them to respond to.

It's funny that this is largely the same criticism that was often levelled at the Forgotten Realms during it's 2e heyday.

Gagarth

Quote from: Lurtch;1057114Who rewrote it? My leather bound Glorantha set doesn't have that nonsnse. Ignore the FB group.

The Guide to Glorantha information on Orlanthi gender roles does not go into a lot of detail but is based on information in from Hero Wars / Heroquest.  In that line Orlantha and Ernalda are gendered cults based on the information in King of Sartar written by Greg Stafford.  There are ways for other genders to enter the cults. Females can join Orlanth  through Vinga and males can join Ernalda through Nandan, but they must join the sub-cults first.  In Runequest roleplaying in Glorantha Vinga being the first stop for females joining Orlanth has been changed to a female only sub-cult, a nice safe space for women. Men can join Ernalda as initiates but not progress to God-talker  (this could be argued) or Priestess.  As usual SJWs are only really worried about genderisim when it effects women.  All this very evident with the NPCs in the GM pack.
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

Gagarth

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1057198Do you even play RPGs?

Yes I have played RPGs for decades.  I am surprised you have time to play since you probably spend most of your time trashing Starbucks coffee shops .
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

Mike the Mage

Quote from: TJS;1057199T..the DM is throwing threats to the status quo at the PCs for them to respond to.

Indeed, instead of forgeing your own domain (Conan) or overturning a tyranny (Hawkmoon) or setting the World to rights (Aragorn) you are running errands for the establishment. Both GM and PCs end up lacking agency or a chance to make a significant impact upon the imaginary world

Quote from: TJS;1057199It's funny that this is largely the same criticism that was often levelled at the Forgotten Realms during it's 2e heyday.

That fits. The lack of agency compunded with the infuriating high-level NPCs giving you lectures, grading your efforts and sending you on railroad missions.

All of which indicates that a Waterdeep of Wonderful Social Justice rules by Benevolent 30th level NPCs that send you on errands to protect the Socially Just Status Quo is a setting designed to appeal to conformists of the most extreme kind.

Rather than play the main protagonist of their own world, they must play the errand boy to the real heroes in a world that they have no say in and must pay plenty dollar for.

That is for the creatively impotent.
When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed

Mike the Mage

Quote from: Gagarth;1057201Yes I have played RPGs for decades.  I am surprised you have time to play since you probably spend most of your time trashing Starbucks coffee shops .

I live in Italy so why the hell would I go to a Starbucks?:rolleyes:
When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed

Gagarth

Quote from: TJS;1057185Gagarth has never, to my knoweldge, posted any thing to this forum that wasn't purely political.

Why don't you click on my username and select view forum posts and then you would know.
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

Mike the Mage

Well that was two minutes of my life that I won't get back.:rolleyes:
When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed

Gagarth

Quote from: Mike the Mage;1057203I live in Italy so why the hell would I go to a Starbucks?:rolleyes:

To trash it obviously.
'Don't join us. Work hard, get good degrees, join the Establishment and serve our cause from within.' Harry Pollitt - Communist Party GB

"Don't worry about the election, Trump's not gonna win. I made f*cking sure of that!" Eric Coomer -  Dominion Voting Systems Officer of Strategy and Security

Mike the Mage

Back on topic: How soon before WotC get into hot water from their own drivel about hate speech directed towards sufferers of mental illness?

When change threatens to rule, then the rules are changed