Quote from: ShieldWife on April 22, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
I'm not even a Christian at all, much less an evangelical one.

I didn't say you were did I? I'm just using broad strokes to fit 'you' conservative types into the one heap. Or anyone who wants to ban, censor, or stifle media.

As far as I'm concerned 'you' all fall under the same Tipper Gore outrage umbrella, along with the woke scolds of course.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 12:05:12 PM

Quote from: ShieldWife on April 22, 2022, 11:59:09 AM
I'm not even a Christian at all, much less an evangelical one.

I didn't say you were did I? I'm just using broad strokes to fit 'you' conservative types into the one heap. Or anyone who wants to ban, censor, or stifle media.

As far as I'm concerned 'you' all fall under the same Tipper Gore outrage umbrella, along with the woke scolds of course.

What is it that you think I want to censor? I completely oppose censorship.

Of course, if people say things that I disagree with, I will express disagreement, and if people say things that I think are absurd or immoral then it is my right to criticize or ridicule them. That isn't censorship though.

Quote from: ShieldWife on April 22, 2022, 12:10:48 PM
I completely oppose censorship.

Fair enough.

Quote from: King Tyranno on April 22, 2022, 10:57:00 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 08:24:02 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on April 22, 2022, 08:12:17 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 21, 2022, 07:25:35 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 21, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Honestly, I'm not even really upset about that. Horrified? Disgusted? Certainly. Like, one of the books includes a magic ritual where the participants must have furry sex.

LOL won't, someone, think of the children!?

Luckily nobody gives a shit what you like or don't otherwise we'd all be playing patty-cake with multi-colored eunuch-corns.

You big girl's blouse.

Oddly enough people can dislike something, find it morally reprehensible or otherwise repugnant. You should find weird furry shit gross. But you don't. Which says more about you than anything else. That shit should be done in the privacy of one's own home and not enacted in a public group. I'm not even all that conservative but I'm fed up with people just nodding their head to degeneracy. We live in clown world because god forbid we judge a sick fuck as a sick fuck.

Please do infer that I looooove furries. LOL You thick fuck.

Furries are morons but why do you even give a toss if they bang each other? Are they destroying the world? Don't like it don't read it.

Far more dangerous are far-right conservative Christians that want to try to ban and control everything others do. I piss on your bible. Truth be told you are just another homophobe who is terrified that the US and A will be 'infected'.

Of course, I'm not having a go at the more sensible and moderate Christians out there, just the bedwetters like yourself and that other twonk.

Saying "hey man, cut that shit out. This is a public place." is not a political or religious statement. It's not about being gay or straight or whatever. Seeing weird shit in an RPG and saying "Oh man, that's fucking revolting. What the fuck?" isn't either. Nor is it "controlling people". Or are the very concept of laws a fascist statement to you?  I'm not even American. I don't know what weird shit happens there.  But for fuck's sake, we have drag queens walking around town with their dicks out reading stories to kids and advocating for genital mutilation. And it all started with people getting afraid of being "bigots" for telling that weirdo in the LGS to stop going on about his bestiality kink. And that guy deciding to write a book with his kink front and center. Which tells the other degenerates that they're fine to do whatever they want and in public too. Because people like you shout down anyone who just wants to get on with their day without seeing a fucking furry orgy in their RPG book. That is not a left/right issue. It is not political. It's not even sexual. It's normal people versus weird fetishists.  Oh so terrible. So bigoted.  People are allowed to be disgusted by things and not want to see them in their daily lives.  That's normal. The average person doesn't want to read about some fucked up furry orgy.  And people are starting to care less and less about being called whatever the fuck you want to strawman in your head. What is even the point of an author showing his barely disguised fetish in an RPG book? God forbid people actually want to play an RPG.

IDK, there's a lot of stuff being conflated in this post. Someone writing an RPG book that included one "furry" sex ritual (when was that? Decades ago? Don't recall the details if I even saw it) has nothing to do with drag queens walking around town with their dicks out (did this part actually happen?) reading stories to kids and advocating for genital mutilation. WW books aren't even mainstream or marketed at kids (at least not the old ones we're discussing), but explicitly edgy and for adults.

So yeah, expecting them to censor themselves is political and not just about decency, because writing an explicitly adult book not marketed at children is not equivalent to public sex acts or grooming kids. If there are people actually RPing that shit out in public that'd be a different thing. But that sort of behavior is a separate thing from edgy RPG books for games that can be RPed in private simply existing.

And you obviously have a right to complain about it if you want, but so do other people when it comes to disagreeing with you. And you don't have to read a book that includes material you find objectionable.

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 22, 2022, 12:27:22 PM

Quote from: King Tyranno on April 22, 2022, 10:57:00 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 08:24:02 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on April 22, 2022, 08:12:17 AM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 21, 2022, 07:25:35 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 21, 2022, 02:42:26 PM
Honestly, I'm not even really upset about that. Horrified? Disgusted? Certainly. Like, one of the books includes a magic ritual where the participants must have furry sex.

LOL won't, someone, think of the children!?

Luckily nobody gives a shit what you like or don't otherwise we'd all be playing patty-cake with multi-colored eunuch-corns.

You big girl's blouse.

Oddly enough people can dislike something, find it morally reprehensible or otherwise repugnant. You should find weird furry shit gross. But you don't. Which says more about you than anything else. That shit should be done in the privacy of one's own home and not enacted in a public group. I'm not even all that conservative but I'm fed up with people just nodding their head to degeneracy. We live in clown world because god forbid we judge a sick fuck as a sick fuck.

Please do infer that I looooove furries. LOL You thick fuck.

Furries are morons but why do you even give a toss if they bang each other? Are they destroying the world? Don't like it don't read it.

Far more dangerous are far-right conservative Christians that want to try to ban and control everything others do. I piss on your bible. Truth be told you are just another homophobe who is terrified that the US and A will be 'infected'.

Of course, I'm not having a go at the more sensible and moderate Christians out there, just the bedwetters like yourself and that other twonk.

Saying "hey man, cut that shit out. This is a public place." is not a political or religious statement. It's not about being gay or straight or whatever. Seeing weird shit in an RPG and saying "Oh man, that's fucking revolting. What the fuck?" isn't either. Nor is it "controlling people". Or are the very concept of laws a fascist statement to you?  I'm not even American. I don't know what weird shit happens there.  But for fuck's sake, we have drag queens walking around town with their dicks out reading stories to kids and advocating for genital mutilation. And it all started with people getting afraid of being "bigots" for telling that weirdo in the LGS to stop going on about his bestiality kink. And that guy deciding to write a book with his kink front and center. Which tells the other degenerates that they're fine to do whatever they want and in public too. Because people like you shout down anyone who just wants to get on with their day without seeing a fucking furry orgy in their RPG book. That is not a left/right issue. It is not political. It's not even sexual. It's normal people versus weird fetishists.  Oh so terrible. So bigoted.  People are allowed to be disgusted by things and not want to see them in their daily lives.  That's normal. The average person doesn't want to read about some fucked up furry orgy.  And people are starting to care less and less about being called whatever the fuck you want to strawman in your head. What is even the point of an author showing his barely disguised fetish in an RPG book? God forbid people actually want to play an RPG.

IDK, there's a lot of stuff being conflated in this post. Someone writing an RPG book that included one "furry" sex ritual (when was that? Decades ago? Don't recall the details if I even saw it) has nothing to do with drag queens walking around town with their dicks out (did this part actually happen?) reading stories to kids and advocating for genital mutilation. WW books aren't even mainstream or marketed at kids (at least not the old ones we're discussing), but explicitly edgy and for adults.

So yeah, expecting them to censor themselves is political and not just about decency, because writing an explicitly adult book not marketed at children is not equivalent to public sex acts or grooming kids. If there are people actually RPing that shit out in public that'd be a different thing. But that sort of behavior is a separate thing from edgy RPG books for games that can be RPed in private simply existing.

And you obviously have a right to complain about it if you want, but so do other people when it comes to disagreeing with you. And you don't have to read a book that includes material you find objectionable.

Said it better than I could of. 

Yeah, a lot of the slippery slope fallacy going on here too.

It's all about having 'the right to choose' what you want to consume or not (as long as it's legal of course). I've no problem with people complaining at all it's par for the course. What I find objectionable is calling people degenerates who like 'x' material. While their group is wholesome and trying to protect Christian traditional values.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 11:59:24 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on April 22, 2022, 11:55:16 AM
He's saying you should shut up and let the deranged fetishists rape you in the bathroom, you mean old bigot.

How many trans women have been raping women in the bathroom again? Women are far more likely to be attacked in the street by men. But you pull your 'facts' out of your arse so they can suit your Christian political position.

I don't recall the details, but there was at least one case of a girl being raped in a school bathroom (or was it locker room?) by some kid who identified as trans and the school trying to hide it.

This is a somewhat separate issue from the fear of actual trans women raping women in bathrooms (which may or may not be a valid fear depending on the context). But incidents have happened.

Quote from: VisionStorm on April 22, 2022, 12:36:51 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 11:59:24 AM

Quote from: King Tyranno on April 22, 2022, 11:55:16 AM
He's saying you should shut up and let the deranged fetishists rape you in the bathroom, you mean old bigot.

How many trans women have been raping women in the bathroom again? Women are far more likely to be attacked in the street by men. But you pull your 'facts' out of your arse so they can suit your Christian political position.

I don't recall the details, but there was at least one case of a girl being raped in a school bathroom (or was it locker room?) by some kid who identified as trans and the school trying to hide it.

This is a somewhat separate issue from the fear of actual trans women raping women in bathrooms (which may or may not be a valid fear depending on the context). But incidents have happened.

I've heard of one documented case and one in a prison in the UK. But basically, it's so rare that it's not a concern. You'd have more males invading a bathroom to rape a woman. I don't think women have to worry about being attacked by trans.

Trans women in sport is a different matter (AKA -Lia Thompson for one example). There are legitimate concerns over those cases. However, that would have to be sorted by scientists (and should be!).

It's likely really hard to get statistics about the number of trans woman sexual offenses, especially especially access to female only places to facilitate those crimes, in large part because that information is going to suppressed.

I did find an interesting link to data from prisoners in the UK:
https://committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/18973/pdf/

This is the important information:

Quote
MOJ stats show 76 of the 129 male-born prisoners identifying as transgender (not counting any with GRCs) have at least 1 conviction of sexual offence. This includes 36 convictions for rape and 10 for attempted rape. These are clearly male type crimes (rape is defined as penetration with a penis).

Here is the number compared with figures for sex offending rates in men and women over the same period.
Comparisons of official MOJ statistics from March / April 2019 (most recent official count of transgender prisoners):

76 sex offenders out of 129 transwomen = 58.9%

125 sex offenders out of 3812 women in prison = 3.3%

13234 sex offenders out of 78781 men in prison = 16.8%

This is to say that among prisoners in the UK, 16.8% of men are sex offenders and 58.9% of transwomen are sex offenders. This does tend to at least provide some statistical support for fears of predatory behavior.

We're going pretty far on a tangent here though. Maybe with should back to furry degenerate werewolf players.

Quote from: ShieldWife on April 22, 2022, 12:52:07 PM
We're going pretty far on a tangent here though. Maybe with should back to furry degenerate werewolf players.

Indeed... I'd have to see those stats go through a legitimate peer-reviewed journal before I'd take them at face value.

But back at the topic. While I certainly giggle at furries I certainly stand by their rights to be whatever they want, as long as it's with consenting adults.

And werewolf on werewolf action in all its vivid description in-game is fine if that's your thing and that's the type of game you're all into. I don't particularly want to play it, to be honest, I like horror and violence. But I won't stop anyone else from doing so, or call them wrong.

If you're having fun and not hurting anyone else then I say 'you do you'.

If weirdos want to play their weird furry fetish shit, whatever. Where I get pissed off is when they insult me for thinking that's gross and not wanting to engage in it. WW's games are quite frankly disgusting, both politically and sexually, and I don't want anything to do with it. Unfortunately, it's the only werewolf/vampire/whatever roleplaying game there is. So my choice is between engaging with these autistic degenerates or not playing at all.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 22, 2022, 02:00:24 PM
If weirdos want to play their weird furry fetish shit, whatever. Where I get pissed off is when they insult me for thinking that's gross and not wanting to engage in it. WW's games are quite frankly disgusting, both politically and sexually, and I don't want anything to do with it. Unfortunately, it's the only werewolf/vampire/whatever roleplaying game there is. So my choice is between engaging with these autistic degenerates or not playing at all.

That's cool...

And as long as we don't have to go anywhere near you and watch you suck off Christ's imaginary cock - Which I find exceedingly obscene and laughable at the same time.

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 02:06:40 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 22, 2022, 02:00:24 PM
If weirdos want to play their weird furry fetish shit, whatever. Where I get pissed off is when they insult me for thinking that's gross and not wanting to engage in it. WW's games are quite frankly disgusting, both politically and sexually, and I don't want anything to do with it. Unfortunately, it's the only werewolf/vampire/whatever roleplaying game there is. So my choice is between engaging with these autistic degenerates or not playing at all.

That's cool...

And as long as we don't have to go anywhere near you and watch you suck off Christ's imaginary cock - Which I find exceedingly obscene and laughable at the same time.

I'm an atheist.

DP

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 22, 2022, 02:10:05 PM

Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on April 22, 2022, 02:06:40 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 22, 2022, 02:00:24 PM
If weirdos want to play their weird furry fetish shit, whatever. Where I get pissed off is when they insult me for thinking that's gross and not wanting to engage in it. WW's games are quite frankly disgusting, both politically and sexually, and I don't want anything to do with it. Unfortunately, it's the only werewolf/vampire/whatever roleplaying game there is. So my choice is between engaging with these autistic degenerates or not playing at all.

That's cool...

And as long as we don't have to go anywhere near you and watch you suck off Christ's imaginary cock - Which I find exceedingly obscene and laughable at the same time.

I'm an atheist.

Good 4 U.

Just a particularly bad one... Who's woke and conservative as fuck.

[probably the wrong forum]