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Warhammer - where did it go so horribly wrong

Started by Erik Boielle, October 14, 2007, 10:49:04 AM

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Erik Boielle

Quote from: Herr ArnulfeI don't remember exactly, but he was a Questing Knight who carved through the local gang members no problem. If you own the KotG book, you can probably guess. Unfortunately for him, the Cannibal Knight had, like, 5 attacks with his 2-handed sword.

So you changed character generation, didn't make it through one adventure and there wasn't a satisfying fight at the end? I mean, hell, if even you don't use the character generation system then what good is it?

Smore like a long one shot though right? And things are a bit different in one shots as the pressure is on to be interesting now with little or no thought of the future. Theres less problem with people falling off rooves if there is no intention of them being a lasting fixture.

If the system is only going to work for one-shots it will require radically different character generation (broadly, make shit up) doesn't need advancement rules, may as well have rules for epic heros and work on ways to get in the stuff that people apparantly love like magic items.

And % systems still suck. You just won't notice how unlikly it is for a character to survive long enough to get to his level if you pick him up as a pregen.

Quotethe Cannibal Knight had, like, 5 attacks with his 2-handed sword

Wait! I have graphics for this!





Actually, the Shattered Hope demo is a classic example of both:-



Good luck rolling up the dude in power armour with the storm bolter and force sword!
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Herr Arnulfe

Quote from: Erik BoielleSo you changed character generation, didn't make it through one adventure and there wasn't a satisfying fight at the end? I mean, hell, if even you don't use the character generation system then what good is it?
We did use the character creation system, but everyone started the campaign with 1,500 XP. I rarely start any RPG at 1st level. It was a mini-campaign (lasted a year on-and-off), and only my 3rd TPK ever, so it wasn't a typical game.
 

cnath.rm

Quote from: Herr ArnulfeWe did use the character creation system, but everyone started the campaign with 1,500 XP. I rarely start any RPG at 1st level. It was a mini-campaign (lasted a year on-and-off), and only my 3rd TPK ever, so it wasn't a typical game.
Ahh, but Erik knows more about the game and what it's about then you do, and if the pc's weren't as insanely badass as the chars in the novels and failed at anything then there was never any point to your game and besides, you were playing it wrong as he knows despite never having actally played the 2nd edition of the game.:D
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Erik Boielle

Its just that the standard of badass is so low!

A guy who can almost two thirds of the time avoid breaking his neck while jumping between rooves just isn't all that when on the console you can carve your way though unending hordes of elite troops:-

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/12225.html
Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.

Erik Boielle

Look - heres another example:-

Assassins Creed:-

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/26570.html

By video game standards thats fairly low key. Dude can fight four guys at once, jump pretty well and whatnot.

Now, how would you stat him for warhammer? Remember that you want your adventure to go something like that demo walkthrough.
Hither came Conan, the Cimmerian, black-haired, sullen-eyed, sword in hand, a thief, a reaver, a slayer, with gigantic melancholies and gigantic mirth, to tread the jeweled thrones of the Earth under his sandalled feet.

James McMurray

You'd think after 300 posts people would realize that nobody will be chaning Erik's mind, and he won't be changing anyone else's. Considering he apparently has never even played the game, I'm curious about why so many people are interested in his opinion.

Simply put, Warhammer is a kickass game for people who can get enjoyment even when they're not playing a superhero, novelized badass, or video game wannabe. If that's not your style, grab a D&D book or two and go to town. If it is, rock on with your bone picker turned pit fighter who aspires to one day be considered a true Champion.

James McMurray

Quote from: Erik BoielleNow, how would you stat him for warhammer? Remember that you want your adventure to go something like that demo walkthrough.

Wouldn't I just play the video game if I wanted my adventure to play out like the video game?

Drew

Quote from: James McMurrayWouldn't I just play the video game if I wanted my adventure to play out like the video game?

In Erikworld everyone secretly wants tabletop games to simulate video games. It's the great secret, the elephant in the drawing room, the boil on the end of your boss's nose.

Never mind that TTRPG's are far slower and don't have much in the way of graphics. Erik has it on excellent authority (ie. the little voice in his head that also tells him to set fire to stuff) that this is so. He even has clips to prove it. Failing that he'll just post more artwork every now and then.
 

James McMurray

You may want to get your imagination it's 10 year checkup. Mine has awesome graphics. :)

Drew

Quote from: James McMurrayYou may want to get your imagination it's 10 year checkup. Mine has awesome graphics. :)

:rolleyes:
 

Herr Arnulfe

Quote from: James McMurrayYou'd think after 300 posts people would realize that nobody will be chaning Erik's mind, and he won't be changing anyone else's. Considering he apparently has never even played the game, I'm curious about why so many people are interested in his opinion.
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Ian Absentia

Quote from: James McMurrayYou'd think after 300 posts people would realize that nobody will be chaning Erik's mind, and he won't be changing anyone else's.
Actually, Erik has.  Prior to this thread, I was more or less indifferent to WHFRP.  The other day I saw a copy of the new edition on the shelf at a local store.  Previously, I wouldn't have given it a second look, but, you know, I pulled it down and gave it a leaf-through.  I'm seriously thinking of picking up a copy because it looks like just the kind of game I'd like to play.

Thanks, Erik! :keke:

!i!

James McMurray

That's the same reason I picked up Exalted, except it wasn't Erik bagging on it that made me curious. :)

Erik Boielle

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaThanks, Erik! :keke:!i!

No problem. Like I say if you don't like anything Games Workshop does there is a good chance you'll enjoy it.

It is just a mystery why they publish it.
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Thank you Erik...
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