I wanted to like it - I really did.

 Except the more I find out about the background universe the less and less appealing it becomes.

 My other big problem??

 The miniatures are too stuck in their universe.
 At least with REAPER's line of minis for their WARLORD battle game the figs are generic just enough that you can still use them in a Dungeons & Dragons game.

The WARHAMMER 40K figs are too nidentifiably part of That Universe. I can't look at them and say "Yeah that might be a guy in the TRAVELLER universe.

 Who are the "Good Guys" in the 40K universe??
 So far I haven't found anybody to root for in that setting. Its much easier to stick with my GURPS:TRAVELLER thing.

 I've been tempted - wwith my styore discount and all. Right now I'm more interested in some oif the terrain thats actually at affordable prices - at least that i can use with any set of rules.


- Ed C.

If anyone is wondering - YES, I have read up on the background universe. Through webpages like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000

 Where are the women in that universe ?

 Where are the parties?
 Whats there to even party about ?

 Where is the Freedom?

 Freedom fighters?

 I know there is an RPG due later this year set in that universe....but that whole scene just feels depressing.  It reminds me a lot of the universe of LEXX that was in the pilot 2 hour movie "I Worship His Shadow" . (Also known as "Tales from a Paralell Universe").
 At least in that thing we saw that there were some freedom fighters or rebels being led by the character that Barry Bostwick played.


- Ed C.

It's not for you dude, every point you're not digging about WH40k is the whole damn point of the setting.

In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war. 'Nuff Said.

Quote from: JamesVIt's not for you dude, every point you're not digging about WH40k is the whole damn point of the setting.

In the grim darkness of the far future there is only war. 'Nuff Said.

So what would be the "Anti-WARHAMMER40K" setting?

 Not TRAVELLER - thats gotthe 3rd Imperium as its main human political group.

 Hate to think it would be the Feceration of the TREK universe.


- Ed C.

yeah, it's "kill shit and take their stuff" with out the latter part of the phrase.

that said, the mysterious research station in my traveller adventure will open a temporary portal to 40k-land.  out pops a bunch of chaos marines.  fun is had by all!  

(late posting d'oh!)
i'd think ST:NG's federation is totally the anti-40k.  "talk to things and share their stuff" there.

Quote from: JamesVIn the grim darkness of the far future there is only war.

And pretty much no women.

Actually, back in the day when I used to play it, there were, like, two battle-nun models.  Not that they were ever available (or, at least, not so that anyone would notice).

!i!

(P.S. Koltar, if the idea of the minis appeals to you, but the WH40K universe doesn't, there are other mini games out there.  Just not as many people playing them.)

Quote from: beeber(late posting d'oh!)
i'd think ST:NG's Federation is totally the anti-40k.  "talk to things and share their stuff" there.

.....and sometimes have sex with them - if you're guys like Riker or Kirk.
 Or Klingons. Klingons always seemed to get laid more often than the Starfleet people. Except maybe Dax - but she was practically a  party Klingon by attitude.


- Ed C.

Quote from: beeberi'd think ST:NG's federation is totally the anti-40k.  "talk to things and share their stuff" there.

I'd agree with that. 40k is dark, no I mean it, DARK. The Federation setting from NG is so shiny and clean the Enterprise has no bathrooms.

Traveller sits neatly in the middle.

just had a nice dark thought--

vortex grenade (they still have those in 40K?) blows up next to the enterprise warp core--how big a bang would that be?

what stats should i use for bolters in traveller (MT)?  ARL's?  or would they be closer to RAM auto GL's?

Quote from: beeberwhat stats should i use for bolters in traveller (MT)?  ARL's?  or would they be closer to RAM auto GL's?

Aw, crap.  There was a gun from the pages of the JTAS -- issue 10, if I recall correctly.  Like a combat rifle that fired jet-rifled rounds.  I'll look it up tonight for you.

!i!

Quote from: Ian AbsentiaAw, crap.  There was a gun from the pages of the JTAS -- issue 10, if I recall correctly.  Like a combat rifle that fired jet-rifled rounds.  I'll look it up tonight for you.

!i!

i think that's the ARL.  when i get my star frontiers jones going for gyrojets, i bring that baby out.  need to up the pen & damage figures for higher TL versions somehow, tho

WH40K is a setting where everyone fights everyone else in a total war of attrition-to-extinction.

Hmm: Post one: Koltar doesn't get it, loudly and apparently uninformedly. Check.

Post two: Koltar brings up chicks and parties, while continuing to still deliberately not get it. Double check.


First thing I did with my new 4e Ultratech book was look for stuff I could use to make 40k GURPS out of.

But rather than just poke fun at Koltar, let me address his posts in detail. Cause I'm bored or stupid or all three.

QuoteI wanted to like it - I really did.

Except the more I find out about the background universe the less and less appealing it becomes.

My other big problem??

What? What was the first one? Did I fall asleep and miss something? Failing to appeal to you isn't really a problem if you are disecting WHY something fails to appeal to you, you DO realize that right?

QuoteThe miniatures are too stuck in their universe.
At least with REAPER's line of minis for their WARLORD battle game the figs are generic just enough that you can still use them in a Dungeons & Dragons game.

The WARHAMMER 40K figs are too nidentifiably part of That Universe. I can't look at them and say "Yeah that might be a guy in the TRAVELLER universe.

And? No seriously... and? GW isn't in the business of making Traveller models. They sell wargames. It is in their best interests, if you will, that they have an easily recongnizable 'look' to their models.  Crappy generic sci-fi models do not, as a general rule, sell well. Detailed, setting specific models, however... do.

QuoteWho are the "Good Guys" in the 40K universe??
So far I haven't found anybody to root for in that setting. Its much easier to stick with my GURPS:TRAVELLER thing.

So, do so. Seriously. First of all, there are no 'good guys'. That is a deliberate design feature, not a bug.   That's like me going to a Saw movie and bitching that the bad guy always seems to win, or that the other characters aren't terribly sympathetic, seeing as they are all assholes.  Obviously, its not to my taste, I don't go to it, and I don't make threads about it to bitch about how the movie wasn't made Just. For. Me.

QuoteI've been tempted - wwith my styore discount and all. Right now I'm more interested in some oif the terrain thats actually at affordable prices - at least that i can use with any set of rules.

Does this even belong with the rest of the post? Non Sequitor for the lose.

QuoteIf anyone is wondering - YES, I have read up on the background universe. Through webpages like this one:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warhammer_40,000

If you've read all that, they why bother us? To let us know that Koltar won't be playing? Whoopee.  You can hang out with Erik then.

QuoteWhere are the women in that universe ?

Leaving aside the Sisters of Battle, the all female gang in Necromunda and a fair number of female characters in various books, a handful of models in a primarily MILITARY game (where are all the females in that WWII game? What gives, man?!) this is just another Koltar the perv moment. Great, we get it, you like chicks, you see chicks everywhere.  Great. I can go outside and watch women walk by all day long. What is your point?

QuoteWhere are the parties?
Whats there to even party about ?

Military game again.  Never mind that PC's could, in theory party all the time, but most of us game for adventure.  Also: Slaaneshi cults.

QuoteWhere is the Freedom?
Freedom fighters?

Leads to chaos cults, or genestealer cults or just being totally pwned by all the various threats to the existance of humanity.  Defensibly: The lack of freedom is 'necessary' within canon to preserve the species.  Freedom fighters exist, and they are all bad.  I thought you read up on the setting?

QuoteI know there is an RPG due later this year set in that universe....but that whole scene just feels depressing. It reminds me a lot of the universe of LEXX that was in the pilot 2 hour movie "I Worship His Shadow" . (Also known as "Tales from a Paralell Universe").
At least in that thing we saw that there were some freedom fighters or rebels being led by the character that Barry Bostwick played.

Again: I don't like strawberry ice cream. Not to my taste.  I much prefer Chocolate. But then, I didn't make a thread about it. Also: I've never seen LEXX at all, so your final bit is about as meaningful to me as my telling you that my tail itches sometimes when I have to smite a motherfucker. Interesting, possibly relevant, but really.... do you even get it?

for another fruitless endeavor, i wonder how economics would work in the 40k universe?  :haw:

Quote from: beeberfor another fruitless endeavor, i wonder how economics would work in the 40k universe?  :haw:

You know, with all the books out there, I am reasonably certain I could make a decent 'working' model of the economics of the Imperium.  I mean, aside from a lot of fuedalism, with appropriate economic 'movement', you have your dedicated product worlds (hive worlds producing industry) feeding other worlds that lack those resources (agrarian worlds, fer ex). Then you have self sustaining worlds that have a little of everything, with luxury goods moving in or out as needed via the Empyrean, which probably resembles sea trade on a slightly larger scale.  The Imperial Tithe is something like 10% of the worlds goods and, if necessary, population, but is collected irregularly... well, not annually anyway.

So traders can either make regular, but probably small, fortunes running grain to a hive world, and metals back to the agrarian world in a regular circuit, or can risk great losses for larger fortunes carrying luxury goods and religious pilgrims around on chancier routes.