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War Plan Red: WWII Alt History

Started by RockViper, February 19, 2007, 10:13:46 PM

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The Good Assyrian

Quote from: CessnaIf you're interested in the "Color" plans, there are two very good books on the subject: War Plan Orange by Edward Miller and The Blue Sword by Michael Vlahos.  Both have all sorts of alternate history ideas.

Thanks for the book recommendations!  I'll check them out.  There is also a good book about the US Navy between the wars that covers a lot of this planning called Battle Line: The United States Navy, 1919-1939 by Thomas and Trent Hone.

Quote from: CessnaAlso, Avalanche Press published a series of wargames using the "Great War at Sea" system which cover some of the "Color" plans.  In fact, there is one on War Plan Red specifically.

I have Plan Orange and am on the hunt for the others.  A friend of mine is painting his Kriegsmarine ships in the Weimar Republic colors rather than with Nazi markings as a strange "what if the Nazis hadn't taken over and instead you have a right wing, but not *that* right wing government led by Hindenburg" kind of alt history, so I am looking for Avalanche's War Plan Black (Germany) game.

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Cessna

Quote from: The Good AssyrianI enjoy the alt history stuff myself.  I am currently building the US Navy as is was in 1930 for Mongoose's new Victory at Sea miniatures wargame.  I am trying to convince some friends to build the other powers' navies of the same period (which is not that hard, as most the ships were the backbone of the forces that fought in the battles of the early years of the war anyways), and I am planning to do some War Plan goodness with them.


Damn, I wish you lived closer.  I love alternate history and naval wargaming.

Hey, have you played "Fear God and Dread Naught?"  I've been eyeing a copy.  I understand that it is very "Larry Bond/Harpoon," but I like WWI naval warfare enough to be willing to deal with that...
 

RockViper

Quote from: The Good AssyrianAnd there was a very aggressive Canadian counter plan:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defence_Scheme_No._1

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Awesome, now we are getting closer to a full scale war.
"Sometimes it's better to light a flamethrower than curse the darkness."

Terry Pratchett (Men at Arms)

The Good Assyrian

Quote from: CessnaDamn, I wish you lived closer.  I love alternate history and naval wargaming.

Anytime you happen to be in Central Texas call me for the hookup.  We have a local club that plays at a FLGS, and WW2 naval is all the rage right now.

Quote from: CessnaHey, have you played "Fear God and Dread Naught?"  I've been eyeing a copy.  I understand that it is very "Larry Bond/Harpoon," but I like WWI naval warfare enough to be willing to deal with that...

I haven't played that one.  I have been playing "Victory at Sea" which I suspect is in the opposite camp in that it is short on technical details in favor of rolling a bunch of sixes and watching things blow up!:D   I have just bought a game called "Grand Fleets", which seems to be a bit more crunchy, and it covers the interwar period quite well, so I am going to give it a shot.

And in the interest of not derailing this threat too far, I think I'll start a naval wargaming thread in Electronic and Other Games...:p


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The Good Assyrian

Quote from: RockViperAwesome, now we are getting closer to a full scale war.

Perhaps this could be the background for some cool period roleplaying, particularly dealing with espionage.  The British were justly famous for it, and you could easily do a Top Secret:SI meets the 1920s in which the PCs are agents for one side or the other (or both), dealing with building tensions between the two former allies.  They could defuse them, or perhaps be working to provoke confrontation for the purposes of certain circles in the government or military hierarchy.

Or you could do it pulp style, complete with evil mastermind trying to start a war to weaken democracy so that his army of fascist molemen (or whatever...) can take over the world.  The only thing standing in his way, of course, is Dirk Cavendish and his Flying Circus, a motley assortment of daredevil pilots from both sides of the Atlantic.  Having fought together in the Great War they all know what is at stake if the two greatest lights of freedom are extinguished by these nefarious plans!

In either case, you gotta have some Mounties show up.  

Just sayin'...


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