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Joseph Goodman's analysis of the state of 4e

Started by RPGPundit, June 20, 2009, 01:24:43 PM

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Joethelawyer

Quote from: RPGPundit;309519Did anyone actually save the guy's parody before it got deleted by the mods? I would have liked reading it.

RPGPundit

Sensing its imminent deletion, I saved it and posted it on my blog.

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Thanatos02

Quote from: Joethelawyer;310209Sensing its imminent deletion, I saved it and posted it on my blog.

http://wondrousimaginings.blogspot.com/

Joe

That was you, huh? Quick thinking!
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Sigmund

Quote from: Thanatos02;310220That was you, huh? Quick thinking!

I agree. That kinda shit is why I don't frequent other sites much. "Fixed it for ya" posts are often inane, true, but I don't consider that grounds for censorship. Also, I highly doubt this is true, but if JG is enough of a sensitive person to be offended by something like that then the internet is going to be an unpleasant medium for him.
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StormBringer

Quote from: Sigmund;310325I agree. That kinda shit is why I don't frequent other sites much. "Fixed it for ya" posts are often inane, true, but I don't consider that grounds for censorship. Also, I highly doubt this is true, but if JG is enough of a sensitive person to be offended by something like that then the internet is going to be an unpleasant medium for him.
StormBringer feels it is necessary to mention that you are supposed to be referring to yourself in the third person.
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Sigmund

Quote from: StormBringer;310334StormBringer feels it is necessary to mention that you are supposed to be referring to yourself in the third person.

I don't know why, but doing that always reminds me of Bob from Becker. When that happens I find myself unable to follow through with it ;)
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jrients

My latest thoughts on this matter:

Assume the generational theory that Mr. Goodman is using is correct, i.e. that a successful property marketed to kids becomes another hit 20 years later when those kids are grown-ups with disposable incomes and pangs of nostalgia.  Then it wouldn't make any damn sense to put out a new edition as you're sliding towards a mid-generation trough.  Year 2 of your new edition is pretty well doomed to be less spectacular than year 1.  Year 3 will be even worse, probably.  So if Mr. Goodman is right, his pet game company is riding a crazy train to oblivion.  If he's making game stuff as a business concern, that would be the height of stupidity.  Isn't his own theory is saying to get the hell out of the D&D business?

In such an environment it might be smart to look at doing small print runs of 'caretaker' products that preserve the legacy.  And whaddya know, Goodman Games is ramping up their Old School support with things like Points of Light I & II, the Dungeon Alphabet and Raggi's monster book.

So maybe Goodman didn't say anything before the present brouhaha, but his money seems to be where his mouth is.
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Hackmastergeneral

Quote from: jrients;310371My latest thoughts on this matter:

Assume the generational theory that Mr. Goodman is using is correct, i.e. that a successful property marketed to kids becomes another hit 20 years later when those kids are grown-ups with disposable incomes and pangs of nostalgia.  Then it wouldn't make any damn sense to put out a new edition as you're sliding towards a mid-generation trough.  Year 2 of your new edition is pretty well doomed to be less spectacular than year 1.  Year 3 will be even worse, probably.  So if Mr. Goodman is right, his pet game company is riding a crazy train to oblivion.  If he's making game stuff as a business concern, that would be the height of stupidity.  Isn't his own theory is saying to get the hell out of the D&D business?

In such an environment it might be smart to look at doing small print runs of 'caretaker' products that preserve the legacy.  And whaddya know, Goodman Games is ramping up their Old School support with things like Points of Light I & II, the Dungeon Alphabet and Raggi's monster book.

So maybe Goodman didn't say anything before the present brouhaha, but his money seems to be where his mouth is.

My reading is it's less about "success" and more about "insane success".

That D&D 4ed is successful, but that the insane success of 3ed cannot be gotten by a new edition.  But that there are levels of success under "massive mega-hit".
 

Windjammer

Quote from: Hackmastergeneral;310375My reading is it's less about "success" and more about "insane success".

That D&D 4ed is successful, but that the insane success of 3ed cannot be gotten by a new edition.  But that there are levels of success under "massive mega-hit".

Back when I still frequented church services on Sundays, I once heard a vicar pointing out in his sermon how one reason Christianity isn't exactly popular is its shoving people into the face that they are moral failures.

He said,

"You see, failure in today's society is such an issue, such a taboo, that people hesitate to use the very word. People today don't experience failure. They experience negative success."
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