Eh, Vice had only a brief year or so of solid and interesting reporting. Then they chased that ad copy decorum, political goodrightthink, soon after. The blogpocalypse and now nu-Media implosion seem to point to a cyclicality of co-opted alternative voices. Youtube/Twitter days are similarly numbered in the cycle.

Better to roll dice with fun people who bring good snacks. Like dehydrated kale crisps with red yeast (omg, it tastes like cheese! :eek: :rolleyes:). Pass the cacao nibs... :cool:

Quote from: TNMalt;11205745e has brought in a diverse pop of new players. And I view this as a reaction to real world events. Seeing frat boys with tiki torches spouting anti semitic slogans in the news does that. So I understand the need to have the game table be a refuge from the outside world.

Because before 5e it was all white straight males (puagh!) right? Even idiots like Tanahesi Coates say they grew up playing D&D. But yeah there were all whites before the woke brigade got it's dirty paws in the hobby.

Vayanse a la mierda con esa narrativa.

This has to be my favorite post in the related twitter thread:

QuoteSo brave.

I mean, some people would say real bravery would be to not use his IP to line your own pockets... but not me. Hypocrisy is the real bravery.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1120610But yeah there were all whites before the woke brigade got it's dirty paws in the hobby.

I know a number of gamers who are going to be surprised when I tell them that they've been white all this time!

Quote from: GeekEclectic;1120630I know a number of gamers who are going to be surprised when I tell them that they've been white all this time!

Or even male! I have no idea how we managed to play with a female Latina at my table in the 90's. There were no Woke to show us the way back then!

BTW I like how the article says Stoicism is Fascist. My 85 year old mother dying of pancreatic cancer must be Literally Hitler.

Quote from: MonkeyMan23;1120548I'm seeing this story being posted everywhere else.

Welcome aboard MonkeyMan23!

What's the reaction to the article that you're seeing elsewhere?

Quote from: Shasarak;1120557In any case I agree with Evil Hat, if you dont like their politics then dont buy their products.

EXACTLY.

Give where you are fed.

Support what brings you joy.

Speak with your dollars.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1120570how do I get that free advertising for my gym?

Step 1: Abandon all integrity and declare all other gyms are racist, homophobic, misogynist rape havens.

Step 2: Splatter your gym in rainbow paint, idiotic slogans and give interviews how women are actually stronger then men.

Step 3: Profit?

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1120570How did Evil Hat get Vice to advertise them for free?

It's not hard. Nu-media needs a constant stream of outrage content and SJW content to get both clicks that pay the rent and the virtue points to appease the online leftists who are their core audience.

Quote from: S'mon;1120648My 85 year old mother dying of pancreatic cancer must be Literally Hitler.

Sorry about your Hitler mom. Kudos to her strength in the face of cancer.

[video=youtube;Ia7fUQXskvA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia7fUQXskvA[/youtube]


They are a joke.

I'm just going to leave this here...


"Flannae. The Flan race have a bronze-colored complexion. This varies from a lighter, almost copper shade to a very dark tone which is deepest brown. Eye color is commonly dark brown, black, brown, or amber (in declining order of occurrence). Hair coloration is black, brown-black, dark brown, or brown. Also, Flannae tend to have wavy or curly hair. People of the Duchy of Tenh are pure Flan, proud of their bronze color. Geoff and Sterich, despite mixture, show strong Flan racial influence. The Rovers of the Barrens are of the copper-toned sort of Flannae, although the western tribes show the golden skin color of the Baklunish due to interpreeding with Wolf Nomad tribes. The people of the Hold of Stone Fist and the citizens of the Theocracy of the Pale are primarily hybrids, the former Flan/Suel, the latter Flan/Oeridian. The inhabitants of the Pale are particularly handsome."

This quote is from one of the books from the 1983 World of Greyhawk box set. Get this. The exact title of book in the set this quote is from is "A Catalogue of the Land of Flanaess Being the Eastern Portion of the Continent of Oerik, of Oerth". Get that? The Land of Flanaess. The Flan people were not just some periphery race for tokenism. It's the main race of the area surrounding the City of Greyhawk.



Feel free to compare and contrast to 5E's attempt at finally including a black race in the game which caused shit to hit the fan because they wore loin cloths and used spears.

We can post endless examples of how the hobby was "inclusive" both in written text (see above example) and at the table (I played w/ women in the 70's and transsexuals and furries in the 90s, and this kind of experience wasn't unusual - people were just happy to find other people to game with). However, the story that has been told and is now the truth is that gaming was terribly repressive, and now this group has fixed the problem. Yes, it's the old pattern of a group that wants power making up a crisis that never existed in the first place, and then fixing the fake crisis. However, in this case, they've won. This is the story being told in the media, and this is what everyone except us will believe, even though it's clearly made up.

Quote from: S'mon;1120648BTW I like how the article says Stoicism is Fascist. My 85 year old mother dying of pancreatic cancer must be Literally Hitler.

Sorry to hear about your mom.

I'm getting really tired of this.  My personal policy was to try to separate the art from the artist.  There are a lot of games I like produced by people I don't like.  I may have to revisit that stance.

Evil Hat says they want to separate the art from the artist in regard to Lovecraft.  Then they turn around and tell me if I don't like their politics, don't buy their stuff.  Just pick one, folks.  I'm happy to have everyone in gaming, regardless of what boxes they check off on the census form.  I just don't need more of this "your politics = racism" crap.  I go to pretend worlds because I'm sick of crap like that in the real one.

And I get that Lovecraft, were he alive today, would be an obvious racist.  Were he alive today.  Just about anybody who lived 100 years ago would be considered bigoted by today's standards.  I hope these people understand that 100 years from now, people will probably look at everyone living now through the same lens.

Vice, a reputable news source promoting a reputable company producing reputable products. I see nothing wrong with this. After all, they've even done me the favor of letting me know I'm a fascist! Who knew?!

Quote from: S'mon;1120648BTW I like how the article says Stoicism is Fascist. My 85 year old mother dying of pancreatic cancer must be Literally Hitler.

My condolences. It's an extremely difficult experience in close family.