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Vice claiming tabletop rpgs are being reclaimed from bigots.

Started by MonkeyMan23, January 31, 2020, 03:44:12 PM

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HappyDaze

#1
January 31, 2020, 04:01:22 PM
That implies (or, perhaps, outright states) that RPGs were, as a whole, previously a field claimed as owned/run/created by bigots. I see that as a false start at best.

Shasarak

#2
January 31, 2020, 04:19:21 PM
This is last weeks news, right?

In any case I agree with Evil Hat, if you dont like their politics then dont buy their products.
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pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

SHARK

#3
January 31, 2020, 04:29:18 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1120557This is last weeks news, right?

In any case I agree with Evil Hat, if you dont like their politics then dont buy their products.

Greetings!

Right, my friend. But what makes Evil Hat such an obnoxious target for wrath as well as concern, is their deeper philosophy and desire and efforts to spread their fucked up propaganda, and to cultivate their fucking stupidity and hate amongst other gamers, as well as writers, game developers, and companies. You know what I'm saying? We need to call them the fuck out, and blast them, and resist them in every way. It is not enough to remain silent, and just not buy their fucking games while they seek to cultivate their hate and stupid ideology.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
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HappyDaze

#4
January 31, 2020, 04:33:26 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1120559Greetings!

Right, my friend. But what makes Evil Hat such an obnoxious target for wrath as well as concern, is their deeper philosophy and desire and efforts to spread their fucked up propaganda, and to cultivate their fucking stupidity and hate amongst other gamers, as well as writers, game developers, and companies. You know what I'm saying? We need to call them the fuck out, and blast them, and resist them in every way. It is not enough to remain silent, and just not buy their fucking games while they seek to cultivate their hate and stupid ideology.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

They literally call themselves EVIL HAT! They hide in plain sight; how much more can you call them out?

jhkim

#5
January 31, 2020, 05:11:16 PM
The article title is clearly clickbait. I'm also put off by not naming who was quoted (instead just naming them as "Evil Hat"), and not having any quotes or discussion from opposing points of view.

Quote from: HappyDaze;1120561They literally call themselves EVIL HAT! They hide in plain sight; how much more can you call them out?

I don't think that's convincing to anyone except the already converted. A lot of polarizing talk is this way. To counter the Vice article, presumably the approach would be a similar article with dialog for those on the opposing side.

Kyle Aaron

#6
January 31, 2020, 05:13:01 PM
This article reminds me of when I see articles on the ABC or in the Guardian or something about some older people or women working out in a gym and empowering themselves... how do I get that free advertising for my gym?

How did Evil Hat get Vice to advertise them for free?
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TNMalt

#7
January 31, 2020, 05:32:16 PM
5e has brought in a diverse pop of new players. And I view this as a reaction to real world events. Seeing frat boys with tiki torches spouting anti semitic slogans in the news does that. So I understand the need to have the game table be a refuge from the outside world.

Shasarak

#8
January 31, 2020, 05:47:09 PM
Quote from: SHARK;1120559Greetings!

Right, my friend. But what makes Evil Hat such an obnoxious target for wrath as well as concern, is their deeper philosophy and desire and efforts to spread their fucked up propaganda, and to cultivate their fucking stupidity and hate amongst other gamers, as well as writers, game developers, and companies. You know what I'm saying? We need to call them the fuck out, and blast them, and resist them in every way. It is not enough to remain silent, and just not buy their fucking games while they seek to cultivate their hate and stupid ideology.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

But then you risk giving them more attention.  I saw there was a push on Twitter to cancel RPGPundit and all that happened was that he got more followers.

So maybe just drop them into the memory hole with other such things like Highlander sequels and 4th edition DnD.
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

SHARK

#9
January 31, 2020, 05:52:56 PM
Quote from: Shasarak;1120576But then you risk giving them more attention.  I saw there was a push on Twitter to cancel RPGPundit and all that happened was that he got more followers.

So maybe just drop them into the memory hole with other such things like Highlander sequels and 4th edition DnD.

Greetings!

Ahh, so true, huh my friend? The SJW's tried to crush Pundit like a fucking cockroach, and instead, he gets *MORE* followers, and grows *STRONGER!* *laughing* I fucking love it!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

S'mon

#10
January 31, 2020, 06:48:20 PM
Quote from: TNMalt;11205745e has brought in a diverse pop of new players. And I view this as a reaction to real world events. Seeing frat boys with tiki torches spouting anti semitic slogans in the news does that. So I understand the need to have the game table be a refuge from the outside world.

You are a nutter.

jeff37923

#11
January 31, 2020, 07:13:48 PM
Quote from: MonkeyMan23;1120548I'm seeing this story being posted everywhere else. What does everyone here think of it?

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/y3mw5b/how-tabletop-rpgs-are-being-reclaimed-from-bigots-and-jerks

Quote from: TNMalt;11205745e has brought in a diverse pop of new players. And I view this as a reaction to real world events. Seeing frat boys with tiki torches spouting anti semitic slogans in the news does that. So I understand the need to have the game table be a refuge from the outside world.

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SHARK

#12
January 31, 2020, 07:29:15 PM
Quote from: S'mon;1120588You are a nutter.

Greetings!

Damn straight, my friend! Just amazing, isn't it? What the fuck does "real world events" and "frat boys with tiki torches spouting anti semitic slogans" have fuck all to do with playing Dungeons and Dragons? A refuge from the outside world? I read the Vice article, interviewing Evil Hat, and it is like, since when did gamers become these frail, whiny, mentally dysfunctional basketcases? All of this handwringing, desperate, mommy-concern over incest, racism, rape, and colonialism and god knows what the fuck else?

It's my understanding that the game Candyland doesn't have any of that. These kind of sobbing nutters can take their sweet, Disney happy rated G games and snivel together in a corner. It just boggles me how we have been playing amazing fun games with lots of diverse fucking people for *decades*--but now there's these whiny bitch snowflakes that are trying to twist our hobby into something horrible and pathetic, all in some sick crusade to fight against a game that never was.

Our hobby has always had diverse minorities in it, as well as women. Going way the fuck back, to 1978 and beyond. And always we have had war, plunder, racism, hatred and slaughter *in the game*, and constant fun together, as players. The only people bringing in "the real world" and destroying the fucking fun refuge is the SJW's. You know what I'm saying, S'mon?

Geesus. I need to smoke my pipe now. And have a glass of good whiskey!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
"It is the Marine Corps that will strip away the façade so easily confused with self. It is the Corps that will offer the pain needed to buy the truth. And at last, each will own the privilege of looking inside himself  to discover what truly resides there. Comfort is an illusion. A false security b

Opaopajr

#13
January 31, 2020, 08:00:43 PM
nu-Legacy media throwing red meat click bait to stay relevant. :rolleyes: A cursory observation of rpgs' past shows how vapid this breathless salacious fantasy is. Just ignore these pathetic mewlings. :)
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GameDaddy

#14
January 31, 2020, 08:03:09 PM
Quote from: Opaopajr;1120597nu-Legacy media throwing red meat click bait to stay relevant. :rolleyes: A cursory observation of rpgs' past shows how vapid this breathless salacious fantasy is. Just ignore these pathetic mewlings. :)

Just sad this is coming from Vice. Over the last decade they have actually become relevant by posting actual news stories about what is going on with real people. Now they are tossing their credibility for a bunch of whingers? ...really???
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