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BoxCrayonTales · November 28, 2018, 09:36:01 AM

Quote from: CTPhipps;1066405I think the Lasombra's weaknesses need to be tweaked, though, as some of it doesn't make much sense to me. I think at my table it'll just be, "you don't show up in mirrors and you show up as static on recording devices."

What is their weakness/curse as of V5? It isn't possible to make sense of your critique without knowing the text.

The clan curse varies considerably across editions and even within the fluff. They may or may not be more sensitive to sunlight or fire, they don't cast a reflection or they cast a blurry/transparent reflection, they do or don't appear in recordings, they do or don't develop self-image issues, etc. Then there are the various obscure disciplines and flaws that add other stuff, like the "animate shadow" flaw that may be taken at character creation or inflicted by certain uses of shadow magic.

EDIT: How would you appear "static" in recordings? That doesn't make sense.

CTPhipps · November 28, 2018, 01:57:13 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1066407What is their weakness/curse as of V5? It isn't possible to make sense of your critique without knowing the text.

The clan curse varies considerably across editions and even within the fluff. They may or may not be more sensitive to sunlight or fire, they don't cast a reflection or they cast a blurry/transparent reflection, they do or don't appear in recordings, they do or don't develop self-image issues, etc. Then there are the various obscure disciplines and flaws that add other stuff, like the "animate shadow" flaw that may be taken at character creation or inflicted by certain uses of shadow magic.

EDIT: How would you appear "static" in recordings? That doesn't make sense.

The new weakness is that you you appear as static and glitches in any recordings. You can't use cellphones or other modern communication technology either since you sound like blurs. Even a radio will result in a Lasombra sounding like, "vzzzzhh baaahhaaaaa sszzzzzt."

And I mean static in "white snow and glitches." not standing still.

Lasombra also suffer penalties after failures where they have psychological issues with losing, which feels like they have two Banes now.

HappyDaze · November 28, 2018, 05:10:56 PM

Quote from: CTPhipps;1066447The new weakness is that you you appear as static and glitches in any recordings. You can't use cellphones or other modern communication technology either since you sound like blurs. Even a radio will result in a Lasombra sounding like, "vzzzzhh baaahhaaaaa sszzzzzt."

And I mean static in "white snow and glitches." not standing still.

Lasombra also suffer penalties after failures where they have psychological issues with losing, which feels like they have two Banes now.

OK, so Lasombra are behind the conspiracy of everyone abandoning making calls in favor of texting then?

Motorskills · November 28, 2018, 07:59:25 PM

Quote from: CTPhipps;1066447The new weakness is that you you appear as static and glitches in any recordings. You can't use cellphones or other modern communication technology either since you sound like blurs. Even a radio will result in a Lasombra sounding like, "vzzzzhh baaahhaaaaa sszzzzzt."

And I mean static in "white snow and glitches." not standing still.

Lasombra also suffer penalties after failures where they have psychological issues with losing, which feels like they have two Banes now.

I don't know if Ultraviolet was the first to depict that, but the Code Vs got around it by using text-to-speech programmes.

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CTPhipps · November 28, 2018, 08:45:10 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze;1066476OK, so Lasombra are behind the conspiracy of everyone abandoning making calls in favor of texting then?

That is a very interesting question there.

But yes, it does seem like Ultraviolet was probably an inspiration.

BoxCrayonTales · November 29, 2018, 09:45:23 AM

Quote from: CTPhipps;1066447The new weakness is that you you appear as static and glitches in any recordings. You can't use cellphones or other modern communication technology either since you sound like blurs. Even a radio will result in a Lasombra sounding like, "vzzzzhh baaahhaaaaa sszzzzzt."

And I mean static in "white snow and glitches." not standing still.

Lasombra also suffer penalties after failures where they have psychological issues with losing, which feels like they have two Banes now.

It makes more sense for their psychological issues to be associated with their lack of image. Like, attacking mirrors or something along those lines.

CTPhipps · November 29, 2018, 10:51:51 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1066559It makes more sense for their psychological issues to be associated with their lack of image. Like, attacking mirrors or something along those lines.

It seems like the rules attempting to tell me how to play my character.

Playing an unambitious lazy Lasombra who fails all the time may be inviting his clanmates to kill him but it's a concept that the player should be able to try.

RPGPundit · December 02, 2018, 04:58:43 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1066164Onyx Path is incompetent at game design. They will inevitably undo all that V5 accomplished.

Did they really give it to Onyx Path? Seriously?!

That's the absolute definition of insanity. These are the people who ran WoD into the ground, who took a potential middling-level game that had seen better days but could easily recover into a long-term standard viable mid-tier product, and instead reduced it to absolute bankruptcy.

Snowman0147 · December 03, 2018, 03:32:22 PM

Clearly either Paradox is caving in to SJWs which they had a history of doing, or Paradox doesn't care about tabletop rpgs.

As for Onyx Path... It can die off in a ditch along with World of Darkness. I am done with it and Requiem was my first rpg with 3.5 D&D being the second. The system is shit and the purpose behind it is even worst.

I only fell in love with it because of Bloodlines which was mystery trench coat and katana video game with interesting characters. It was cyberpunk, but with supernatural gothic horror instead of cyberware.

jan paparazzi · December 03, 2018, 05:53:57 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit;1067095Did they really give it to Onyx Path? Seriously?!

That's the absolute definition of insanity. These are the people who ran WoD into the ground, who took a potential middling-level game that had seen better days but could easily recover into a long-term standard viable mid-tier product, and instead reduced it to absolute bankruptcy.

They are strictly catering to their own niche audience. The games could be better if they actually supported different playstyles for different players instead of designers who want you to play the game a certain way. Cocky pricks too.

jan paparazzi · December 03, 2018, 05:58:48 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;1067367Clearly either Paradox is caving in to SJWs which they had a history of doing, or Paradox doesn't care about tabletop rpgs.

As for Onyx Path... It can die off in a ditch along with World of Darkness. I am done with it and Requiem was my first rpg with 3.5 D&D being the second. The system is shit and the purpose behind it is even worst.

I only fell in love with it because of Bloodlines which was mystery trench coat and katana video game with interesting characters. It was cyberpunk, but with supernatural gothic horror instead of cyberware.

If you love Bloodlines (so do I) and you want a Cthulhu-like detective horror game with a WoD-like urban fantasy setting then you could check out Zak Smith's Demon City, which does that.

Snowman0147 · December 03, 2018, 06:23:53 PM

Quote from: jan paparazzi;1067410If you love Bloodlines (so do I) and you want a Cthulhu-like detective horror game with a WoD-like urban fantasy setting then you could check out Zak Smith's Demon City, which does that.

Wait didn't he create a patreon to cover the cost of creating this book? Why did he go for kickstarter too?

BoxCrayonTales · December 04, 2018, 07:55:13 AM

Quote from: jan paparazzi;1067408They are strictly catering to their own niche audience. The games could be better if they actually supported different playstyles for different players instead of designers who want you to play the game a certain way. Cocky pricks too.

There are already a number of indie games which do that. Monsterhearts deals with the "monster as metaphor for humanity", Urban Shadows deals with seedy paranormal underworld politics, Feed deals with "how does being a vampire feel?", and so forth.

jan paparazzi · December 06, 2018, 05:51:11 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1067466There are already a number of indie games which do that. Monsterhearts deals with the "monster as metaphor for humanity", Urban Shadows deals with seedy paranormal underworld politics, Feed deals with "how does being a vampire feel?", and so forth.

These are all games with very specific mechanics. These games are catering to an even more niche audience. I generally don't like these indie rpg's. Mechanics in weird places. I prefer a more oldschool approach.

jan paparazzi · December 06, 2018, 05:51:49 PM

Quote from: Snowman0147;1067413Wait didn't he create a patreon to cover the cost of creating this book? Why did he go for kickstarter too?

More money?