Quote from: True Black Raven;1042652I wouldn't describe anything not based on or related to old school D&D or old school TSR (pre WotC) as OSR. All of that non-TSR stuff needs to get its own name.

Yes, this would not muddle the waters as much.

Back on track : There is ZeFRS. The retroclone of the TSR Conan game.

I'm surprised no one did a retroclone of the TSR Lankhmar rules.

Quote from: Krimson;1041399G-Core is another FASERIP clone, and the Star Frontiers one is called Frontier Space I think.

I'll have to look G-Core up.  I remembered Four Color (4C) was another MSH/FASERIP clone game.  I guess there are a decent number of MSH clones, which is a good thing.

I also remembered Starships & Spacemen 2e.  I don't think it's a true retroclone of the original version of the game, but it's got at least one foot into retro-clone territory and another foot in the OSR as remake of D&D territory.

Quote from: Gabriel2;1041465I can't help but be a Debbie Downer on that point.

Pondsmith doesn't exactly have a stellar reputation of delivering.

The last RPG product I can recall him being involved in and actually seeing release was Cyberpunk V3.  That was 2006.  Does anyone know of anything more recent?

The Witcher RPG has been used as an excuse for something like 4 years now.  At this point it really seems like another Gundam Senki.

I won't dispute that. But there are *reasons*. CPV3 was an embarrassing affair. I wager it took the wind out of his sails. Personally- I'm not a big fan of FUZION. I like Interlock a *lot* more. But I do have some small insider info on the Witcher RPG (none of which will instill you or me any hope), but I do it *is* a thing.

My worry is that it might push CP2077 outside of the primary window of opportunity.

Quote from: tenbones;1043352I won't dispute that. But there are *reasons*. CPV3 was an embarrassing affair. I wager it took the wind out of his sails. Personally- I'm not a big fan of FUZION. I like Interlock a *lot* more. But I do have some small insider info on the Witcher RPG (none of which will instill you or me any hope), but I do it *is* a thing.

My worry is that it might push CP2077 outside of the primary window of opportunity.

Yep.  I guess we'll see.

As for a retroclone of CP2020, I'm not sure what I'd like to see there.  I wouldn't change the whole Reflex godstat thing.  I see that as a feature and not a bug.  I think I like the old 2013 flowchart style netrunning rules better than the 2020 ones.

I wouldn't want it to be played for parody or tongue in cheek 80s type stuff.  I'd definitely want "this is our future vision as seen from the 80s welcome to the alternate future" played completely legit.

GORE is basically one of the d100 OSR games.

There's a whole bunch of variants of the D100 rules these days. But are they really an 'osr' if the original rules never went away?

Quote from: RPGPundit;1043867There's a whole bunch of variants of the D100 rules these days. But are they really an 'osr' if the original rules never went away?

The original rules did go away at one point. Granted, the edition differences were slight compared to D&D edition differences, but they were there, and some people saw them as rather important:).
Hence the success of the RQ2 KS;).

Quote from: RPGPundit;1043867There's a whole bunch of variants of the D100 rules these days. But are they really an 'osr' if the original rules never went away?

Since my first copy of RQ2 cost me 60 bucks, its rare deluxe edition 120, and the latest high quality reprint edition just 25 on Amazon, I'd say yes.

Quote from: AsenRG;1043875The original rules did go away at one point. Granted, the edition differences were slight compared to D&D edition differences, but they were there, and some people saw them as rather important:).
Hence the success of the RQ2 KS;).

There have been d100 games constantly since Chaosium started.

Quote from: Teodrik;1042784Yes, this would not muddle the waters as much.
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Just wait until someone starts putting out retroclones of 1st edition White Wolf games.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1044268There have been d100 games constantly since Chaosium started.

Yes, of course. And there have been games that use a d20 roll-over for combat almost constantly since 1974, but there is an OSR movement for TSR-era D&D.

For some of the fans, d100=/=RQ2 and the differences are no less important than those between OD&D and 4e.

Quote from: AsenRG;1044279Yes, of course. And there have been games that use a d20 roll-over for combat almost constantly since 1974, but there is an OSR movement for TSR-era D&D.

For some of the fans, d100=/=RQ2 and the differences are no less important than those between OD&D and 4e.

I don't see how. But maybe it's specifically a Runequest thing. I've been into just about every other D100 game besides RQ, and in my experience (especially with Elric/Stormbringer and CoC) the differences between the editions are negligible (compared to even AD&D 1e vs B/X, to say nothing of later editions).

Quote from: True Black Raven;1042652I wouldn't describe anything not based on or related to old school D&D or old school TSR (pre WotC) as OSR.

But I would.
And that's what matters, because I'm part of the target audience, while you, in all likelihood, aren't a potential customer to the people writing those games;).

Quote from: RPGPundit;1044641I don't see how.

If I had to venture a guess, I'd say they are doing it just like those guys accused AD&D2e of ruining everything with the new-fangled THAC0 thing:D!

Quote from: RPGPundit;1044641I don't see how. But maybe it's specifically a Runequest thing. I've been into just about every other D100 game besides RQ, and in my experience (especially with Elric/Stormbringer and CoC) the differences between the editions are negligible (compared to even AD&D 1e vs B/X, to say nothing of later editions).

I haven't looked at all the different d100 offerings. I am actually in the process of doing a section by section comparison of RQ1 vs RQ2 which shows differences that are significant to me, though relatively minor across the scope of RPGs. What I do know is outside of RQ 1 and 2, there are changes to how magic and cults work that make the games of less interest to me.

Now in some ways, I can just drop material from later games in (other than INT and SIZ maybe changing from 3d6 to 2d6+6 for humans and similar changes for other creatures) since the attributes are pretty much the same. On the other hand, hit points and hit points per location have changed in various ways that may make using a combat ready stat block from a different version a significant issue.

So part of it I think is that small differences may actually make a lot of difference to some folks (and this is why I point out that OD&D+Greyhaw =/= AD&D, sure, they look at lot the same, but no, there's lots of small differences that DO matter to some).

I think also some (but not all) folks who dismiss various different games as really being the same game are the same people who actually ignore most of the system (some of them to the point they're proud of a game night where not a single die was rolled). I've come to the point of view that the whole of the system really does matter, so when little procedures are changed, that really does change the game. The differences in play that result may or may not matter or even be noticeable to some, but they do matter to me.

Frank