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Using ChatGPT for game development

Started by GeekyBugle, March 09, 2023, 05:04:49 PM

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GeekyBugle

It can't develop an RPG for you, not even an adventure, so what is it good for?

Creating lists of stuff
Then you can use those lists to make random tables will be up to you.

For example:
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prompt > Please give me a list of 20 male American names
output > Sure, here's a list of 20 male American names:

    Michael
    Christopher
    Joshua
    David
    Matthew
    James
    William
    Robert
    John
    Andrew
    Daniel
    Joseph
    Benjamin
    Alexander
    Ryan
    Kevin
    Brandon
    Eric
    Nicholas
    Justin

Note that these names are popular in the United States, but they may also be used in other English-speaking countries or by people of other nationalities.

Rinse and repeat for female names, then lastnames and you have a name generator.

What else have you used it for?
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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

estar

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 09, 2023, 05:04:49 PM
What else have you used it for?
You can feed it some details about a locale in your setting and then you can have it generate a half dozen possibilities of something you haven't figured out. Then you can ask it further questions if need be to refine things.

THE_Leopold

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 09, 2023, 05:04:49 PM
It can't develop an RPG for you, not even an adventure, so what is it good for?



Yes it can, Yes it does. I've used it for multiple projects and it is completely capable of writing and mapping out using trained skill sets:
https://www.therpgsite.com/pen-paper-roleplaying-games-rpgs-discussion/i-asked-chatgpt-for-a-dd-adventure-by-robert-e-howard/

NKL4Lyfe

jeff37923

Quote from: GeekyBugle on March 09, 2023, 05:04:49 PM

What else have you used it for?

Nothing. AI is not yet ready for prime time.

The vast majority of what I have seen as output has led me to find a large flaw in using the programs. All that these AI programs do is trawl through the lists of whatever material fed to them (art, manuscripts, spoken word, songs) and pull pieces out which the program has identified as being of a similar pattern. There is very little contextual continuity and the results are at worst for manuscripts a word salad or at best a very bland example of the material fed in. To tease the desired output from the program takes extensive tweaking to the point that just creating an original work takes less effort than massaging a crazy quilt pastiche from the program.

Using AI experimentally has become the new hotness, but what is created by doing so is anything but.
"Meh."

Eric Diaz

#4
It is good for some brainstorming, data compilation... it is terrible for anything creative. It will always provide the most obvious, vanilla description of anything you ask.

You could easily create some random tables from that, but they'd be very boring.
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SHARK

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yeah, I'm a glutton for punishment. By hand, I created probably a dozen distinctly different cultural name-generation tables or my Thandor campaign world. Each cultural name-generation contains a minimum o 100 different names, and some have far more than that. I think I limited any one of them to having no more than 300 names. Each of my name-generators also features male and female names, and more than one of the name-generator lists have sections on randomly generating entirely new name parts, to literally create a virtually endless parade of names. Dark Ages Briton, Germanic, Roman, Greek, Norse, Celtic, Slavic, Iberian, Arabic, Persian, Indian, Chinese, African, Mongolian, Wood Elf, High Elf, Beastmen, Orc. Probably a few others I'm forgetting at the moment.

So, no. I don't really need any kind of AI.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
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Dracones

I haven't looked into it much, but I have wondered if you could send it custom training data what you'd be able to do with it after training it on all of 5e's spell library(core and third party): "Create a level 3 spell for a necromancer that attacks multiple enemies with bone written by a renowned necromancer."

GeekyBugle

Quote from: Dracones on March 09, 2023, 08:16:28 PM
I haven't looked into it much, but I have wondered if you could send it custom training data what you'd be able to do with it after training it on all of 5e's spell library(core and third party): "Create a level 3 spell for a necromancer that attacks multiple enemies with bone written by a renowned necromancer."

You could, you'd only need to type/copy-paste the books 3000 words at a time.

Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

THE_Leopold

Quote from: Dracones on March 09, 2023, 08:16:28 PM
I haven't looked into it much, but I have wondered if you could send it custom training data what you'd be able to do with it after training it on all of 5e's spell library(core and third party): "Create a level 3 spell for a necromancer that attacks multiple enemies with bone written by a renowned necromancer."

Yes took all of 3s:

"Create a level 3 spell for a necromancer that attacks multiple enemies with bone written by a renowned necromancer using 5e rules."

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Sure! Here's a level 3 spell called "Bone Storm" that a necromancer can use to attack multiple enemies with bone:

Bone Storm

3rd-level necromancy

Casting Time: 1 action

Range: Self (20-foot radius)

Components: V, S, M (a bone)

Duration: Instantaneous

You conjure a powerful storm of sharp bone fragments that rain down upon all creatures within a 20-foot radius centered on yourself. Each creature in that area must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the creature takes 6d8 piercing damage, or half as much damage on a successful save.

In addition, any creature that fails its saving throw is covered in sharp bone fragments, causing it to have disadvantage on all attack rolls and ability checks until the end of its next turn.

At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, the damage increases by 1d8 for each slot level above 3rd.
NKL4Lyfe

Wtrmute

Quote from: THE_Leopold on March 09, 2023, 08:31:51 PM
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Sure! Here's a level 3 spell called "Bone Storm" that a necromancer can use to attack multiple enemies with bone:

Bone Storm

3rd-level necromancy

Casting Time: 1 action

Range: Self (20-foot radius)

Components: V, S, M (a bone)

Duration: Instantaneous

You conjure a powerful storm of sharp bone fragments that rain down upon all creatures within a 20-foot radius centered on yourself. Each creature in that area must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the creature takes 6d8 piercing damage, or half as much damage on a successful save.

In addition, any creature that fails its saving throw is covered in sharp bone fragments, causing it to have disadvantage on all attack rolls and ability checks until the end of its next turn.

At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, the damage increases by 1d8 for each slot level above 3rd.

Good bot! Except, of course, that effect i either Conjuration or Invocation, and definitely not Necromancy. It's an impressive first effort, nonetheless.

THE_Leopold

Quote from: Wtrmute on March 10, 2023, 05:49:57 AM
Quote from: THE_Leopold on March 09, 2023, 08:31:51 PM
Quote
Sure! Here's a level 3 spell called "Bone Storm" that a necromancer can use to attack multiple enemies with bone:

Bone Storm

3rd-level necromancy

Casting Time: 1 action

Range: Self (20-foot radius)

Components: V, S, M (a bone)

Duration: Instantaneous

You conjure a powerful storm of sharp bone fragments that rain down upon all creatures within a 20-foot radius centered on yourself. Each creature in that area must make a Dexterity saving throw. On a failed save, the creature takes 6d8 piercing damage, or half as much damage on a successful save.

In addition, any creature that fails its saving throw is covered in sharp bone fragments, causing it to have disadvantage on all attack rolls and ability checks until the end of its next turn.

At Higher Levels: When you cast this spell using a spell slot of 4th level or higher, the damage increases by 1d8 for each slot level above 3rd.

Good bot! Except, of course, that effect i either Conjuration or Invocation, and definitely not Necromancy. It's an impressive first effort, nonetheless.

It's not perfect but it gets you most of the way there.
NKL4Lyfe

Omega

Lemmings invent the knife.
Proceed to stab each other, and themselves, to death while screaming "This is the BEST invention ever!"

jeff37923

Quote from: Omega on March 10, 2023, 12:28:54 PM
Lemmings invent the knife.
Proceed to stab each other, and themselves, to death while screaming "This is the BEST invention ever!"

Clarkesworld Magazine Stops Accepting Submissions

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/24/1159286436/ai-chatbot-chatgpt-magazine-clarkesworld-artificial-intelligence

Quote from: NPR Article

The science fiction and fantasy magazine Clarkesworld has been forced to stop accepting any new submissions from writers after it was bombarded with what it says were AI-generated stories.

The magazine officially shut off submissions on February 20 after a surge in stories that publisher and editor-in-chief Neil Clarke says were clearly machine-written.

"By the time we closed on the 20th, around noon, we had received 700 legitimate submissions and 500 machine-written ones," he said.

"It was increasing at such a rate that we figured that by the end of the month, we would have double the number of submissions we normally have. And that the rate it had been growing from previous months, we were concerned that we had to do something to stop it."

Clarke said the magazine wasn't revealing the method it was using to identify the AI-generated stories, because it didn't want to help people game the system, but he said the quality of the writing was very poor.

Artificial intelligence has dominated headlines in recent months, particularly since the launch of ChatGPT in November. The chatbot can answer a broad range of questions, but also create original poems and stories.

Microsoft and Google have since announced their own chatbots, in what is shaping up as an arms race to be the industry leader. And everyone from tech experts worried about misuse to university professors seeing its potential have sought to adapt.

Clarke said magazines like his, which pay contributors for their work, were being targeted by people trying to make a quick buck. He said he had spoken to editors of other magazines that were dealing with the same problem.

"There's a rise of side hustle culture online," he said. "And some people have followings that say, 'Hey, you can make some quick money with ChatGPT, and here's how, and here's a list of magazines you could submit to.' And unfortunately, we're on one of those lists."

Clarke said the magazine didn't yet have an answer to how it was going to deal with the issue, and part of the motivation to speak out was in the hope of crowdsourcing some solutions.

And no, the irony of his sci-fi magazine being targeted by robots is not lost on him.

"I mean, our mascot's a robot. So, you know, we kind of see the the humor," he said. "But the thing is that science fiction is quite often cautionary, and, you know, we don't embrace technology just because it exists. We want to make sure that we're using it right.

"And there's some significant legal and ethical issues around this technology that we're not ready to accept."
"Meh."

~~

Quote from: jeff37923 on March 10, 2023, 10:03:00 PM
Quote from: Omega on March 10, 2023, 12:28:54 PM
Lemmings invent the knife.
Proceed to stab each other, and themselves, to death while screaming "This is the BEST invention ever!"

Clarkesworld Magazine Stops Accepting Submissions

https://www.npr.org/2023/02/24/1159286436/ai-chatbot-chatgpt-magazine-clarkesworld-artificial-intelligence

Quote from: NPR Article

The science fiction and fantasy magazine Clarkesworld has been forced to stop accepting any new submissions from writers after it was bombarded with what it says were AI-generated stories.

The magazine officially shut off submissions on February 20 after a surge in stories that publisher and editor-in-chief Neil Clarke says were clearly machine-written.

"By the time we closed on the 20th, around noon, we had received 700 legitimate submissions and 500 machine-written ones," he said.

"It was increasing at such a rate that we figured that by the end of the month, we would have double the number of submissions we normally have. And that the rate it had been growing from previous months, we were concerned that we had to do something to stop it."

Clarke said the magazine wasn't revealing the method it was using to identify the AI-generated stories, because it didn't want to help people game the system, but he said the quality of the writing was very poor.

Artificial intelligence has dominated headlines in recent months, particularly since the launch of ChatGPT in November. The chatbot can answer a broad range of questions, but also create original poems and stories.

Microsoft and Google have since announced their own chatbots, in what is shaping up as an arms race to be the industry leader. And everyone from tech experts worried about misuse to university professors seeing its potential have sought to adapt.

Clarke said magazines like his, which pay contributors for their work, were being targeted by people trying to make a quick buck. He said he had spoken to editors of other magazines that were dealing with the same problem.

"There's a rise of side hustle culture online," he said. "And some people have followings that say, 'Hey, you can make some quick money with ChatGPT, and here's how, and here's a list of magazines you could submit to.' And unfortunately, we're on one of those lists."

Clarke said the magazine didn't yet have an answer to how it was going to deal with the issue, and part of the motivation to speak out was in the hope of crowdsourcing some solutions.

And no, the irony of his sci-fi magazine being targeted by robots is not lost on him.

"I mean, our mascot's a robot. So, you know, we kind of see the the humor," he said. "But the thing is that science fiction is quite often cautionary, and, you know, we don't embrace technology just because it exists. We want to make sure that we're using it right.

"And there's some significant legal and ethical issues around this technology that we're not ready to accept."

Clarkesworld ain't my jam but that is disheartening.

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What have I used it for?  Nothing.  It requires a phone number, but it has to be a CELL PHONE, which I don't own.  I tried a clone, but I like using ai art generators to put TV shows in new situations, like Brady Bunch in WWII, Mad Men and MASH in space, and Diff'rent Strokes coexisting with dinosaurs.
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