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Updating Appendix N

Started by Xuc Xac, November 11, 2016, 07:11:07 PM

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AsenRG

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Quote from: jeff37923;930216Here is a list of what is in Appendix N:

Anderson, Poul: THREE HEARTS AND THREE LIONS; THE HIGH CRUSADE; THE BROKEN SWORD
 Bellairs, John: THE FACE IN THE FROST
 Brackett, Leigh
 Brown, Frederic
 Burroughs, Edgar Rice: "Pellucidar" series; Mars series; Venus series
 Carter, Lin: "World's End" series
 de Camp, L. Sprague: LEST DARKNESS FALL; THE FALLIBLE FIEND; et al
 de Camp & Pratt: "Harold Shea" series; THE CARNELIAN CUBE
 Derleth, August
 Dunsany, Lord
 Farmer, P. J.: "The World of the Tiers" series; et al
 Fox, Gardner: "Kothar" series; "Kyrik" series; et al
 Howard, R. E.: "Conan" series
 Lanier, Sterling: HIERO'S JOURNEY
 Leiber, Fritz: "Fafhrd & Gray Mouser" series; et al
 Lovecraft, H. P.
 Merritt, A.: CREEP, SHADOW, CREEP; MOON POOL; DWELLERS IN THE MIRAGE; et al
 Moorcock, Michael: STORMBRINGER; STEALER OF SOULS; "Hawkmoon" series (esp. the first three books)
 Norton, Andre
 Offutt, Andrew J.: editor of SWORDS AGAINST DARKNESS III
 Pratt, Fletcher: BLUE STAR; et al
 Saberhagen, Fred: CHANGELING EARTH; et al
 St. Clair, Margaret: THE SHADOW PEOPLE; SIGN OF THE LABRYS
 Tolkien, J. R. R.: THE HOBBIT; "Ring trilogy"
 Vance, Jack: THE EYES OF THE OVERWORLD; THE DYING EARTH; et al
 Weinbaum, Stanley
 Wellman, Manley Wade
 Williamson, Jack
 Zelazny, Roger: JACK OF SHADOWS; "Amber" series; et al

I had to refresh my own memory on its contents.

I would add Lloyd Alexander (The Chronicles of Prydain series especially), Larry Niven (the Warlock's Wheel stories), and the anime Record of Lodoss War (to show what D&D appears to be through the lens of another culture).

Quote from: Bren;930231The four books that make up HotR were published in the 1960s. I have a dinged up old 1960s paperback of The Runestaff.

Another unrelated tangent. My cousin gave me that book and I read it first. It was fun trying to piece together what was going on without the first 3 books.

I apologize for the previous erroneous information:)! I got it from Internet, but obviously didn't look at enough sites.
In my defence, I've read both in the 90ies, in Bulgarian translation;). That didn't help me knowing when they were published in the USA, and actually I was surprised they've been written so early!

Ah well, let's remove them from the previous list. The other items on it will have to do, and maybe I could add some more, after checking the publication dates properly this time:D!
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Quote from: AsenRG;930257I apologize for the previous erroneous information:)! I got it from Internet, but obviously didn't look at enough sites.
Easy mistake to make. Moorcock was a big noise in the 1960s and 1970s New Wave in Sci Fi which is a bit before your time.
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chirine ba kal

Quote from: Bren;930265Easy mistake to make. Moorcock was a big noise in the 1960s and 1970s New Wave in Sci Fi which is a bit before your time.

Now I feel old. I wonder where I left my walker... :)

AsenRG

Quote from: Bren;930265Easy mistake to make. Moorcock was a big noise in the 1960s and 1970s New Wave in Sci Fi which is a bit before your time.

Yeah, and back at this time novels printed in English seldom got a translation here, so even my parents had missed Moorcock for availability reasons;).
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finarvyn

Quote from: AsenRG;930212Also, History of the Runestaff is published 1979 first, so it couldn't be in the original Appendix N, and quite a few of the Amber books weren't written until even later, so I'm just adding the complete series;).
Well, remember that Appendix N came out in the AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide from 1979, not from an OD&D source. There was a shorter list published by Gary in Dragon magazine (or was it Strategic Review? I'd have to check...) that probably dealt more with his OD&D inspiration, but the article wasn't called "Appendix N."
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Quote from: chirine ba kal;930284Now I feel old. I wonder where I left my walker... :)
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AsenRG

Quote from: finarvyn;930330Well, remember that Appendix N came out in the AD&D Dungeon Master's Guide from 1979, not from an OD&D source. There was a shorter list published by Gary in Dragon magazine (or was it Strategic Review? I'd have to check...) that probably dealt more with his OD&D inspiration, but the article wasn't called "Appendix N."
Weird, then, where had I read it? Was it on some forum? That might be it, because I wasn't born either way, whether you're talking OD&D or AD&D:).

Anyway, that will teach me not to get into this kind of arguments without checking the list in question;).
Also, just updated my previous suggestions with another, and noted Moorcock and Zelazni as already being in the Appendix N.

Anyone got comments on my other suggestions?
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finarvyn

Here's a link to a thread on the Goodman Games board that lists off the 1976 pre-AD&D list. Looks like it was in Dragon magazine #4. (I'll confess that I started that one.) That thread also has notes on how the two lists differ.

http://www.goodman-games.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=77&t=41938
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Melichor

Here's the page that has the list:
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Psikerlord

Quote from: DavetheLost;930100David Gemmell should be in Appendix N.

Not post D&D but I think both the Gormenghast books and the Worm Oroborous should be listed.

Totally agree with Gemmell!
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What about the list of recommended material in the 5e D&D DMG?
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I was wondering that myself, though I expect there are many here who haven't spent enough time with the 5e DMG to have come across it.  It's two full pages and pretty comprehensive.  However Gary was pretty clear on his distaste for the uncertain heroes and dithering fools that are found in many books that appear there.  He wanted red blooded adventure, not introspection and rejection of the hero's role.  I'm pretty sure he would have disliked the movie's pretty boy who doesn't want to be king version of Aragorn.  The relentless man driven by destiny in the books would surely have been more to his liking.

I enjoyed Mervyn Peake's Ghormenghast books but I think they are very far from the kind of adventures Gary Gygax loved.  Their influence is found more in the Warhammer and Warhammer 40000 universes really.  The grotesque caricatures of characters who lurch about like puppets bound to some unknowable purpose.  If Morgon of Hed and Garion are gutless nitwits then I can't imagine what he'd have thought of Sepulcrave, Prunesquallor, and Titus.  Heck, if you want to see a book where most of the main characters have stats that never get higher than 11 these books are for you. Though he might have liked Steerpike, Flay, and Swelter.  By the end of the third book Titus has become the kind of man who can scrawl his own path on the scrolls of fate but where that leads we will never know.  Had Peake lived to finish it, Titus Alone would have been as thick as Titus Groan and Ghormenghast but the plot would have largely remained the same.  More endless, beautifully layered word brush.  Really Titus Alone is my favorite because of its terse and unembroidered prose.  The young man out of place in a world of cars and machines and factories and evil bureaucracies interested me more than the morbid traditions of a stagnant people who never wish to look beyond the walls.  I suppose it's funny just how apt the metaphor is in the present day.

This inspired me to stat a few characters for GURPS, they can be found here: http://forums.sjgames.com/showthread.php?p=2058967
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Quote from: RPGPundit;931675What about the list of recommended material in the 5e D&D DMG?

Well, what does it contain?
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Quote from: RPGPundit;931675What about the list of recommended material in the 5e D&D DMG?

Haven't seen it, so can't comment.

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Quote from: AsenRG;931691Well, what does it contain?

I don't know if the list is available online anywhere; I'm certainly not going to write it out here, too long.
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