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Wow, all you need to do is add furry feet to that fat bastard.

All halflings, aka, hobbits, are of the Mk I, hairy footed variety in my games.  Screw you, Tolkien Estate.  Also, DEATH TO KENDER. They make for awful trouble at D&D tables in my experience.

To all of those who say that manga art styles don't support the old school ethic -

To thee I reply - Guts from Berserk.  D&D as fuck. And with a huge but historically accurate Zweihander sword!

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;630554To thee I reply - Guts from Berserk.  D&D as fuck. And with a huge but historically accurate Zweihander sword!

How the hell is that a "historically accurate" Zweihander? I've tried to find other Google Images of this character in case I'm missing the comparison. And I'm not seeing it.

Are you being silly?

Quote from: jibbajibba;630396Then the idea that a parent that cares about what images their kid looks at will by definiton be anti D&D is frankly bizzare and I am only think comes from the American need to devide everything in to Liberal vs Conversative. I don't think my 8 year old daughter should be looking at Boris style erotic Fantasy Art or reading my RanXerox graphic novels or reading Mark Millar's Wolverine run. In fact recently I forbade her from going to see the Hobbit as I deemed it too violent. However, I have been playing 'D&D' with her since she was 5 and from the get go she was incredible violent. However there is a huge difference between the violence she watches on Tom and Jerry or Kung Fu Panda and the violence in the LotR or Hobbit movies.

What I'm disputing is that WotC would want to make D&D aimed at 8-year-olds. That's way too young. And if you're aiming at 12-14 year olds, they like entirely different stuff form 8 year olds.

Quote from: jibbajibba;630396Art direction changes over time. I think D&D needs a strong look you need to see an image and it to kind of click as a D&D image. Wizards have been really good at doing this with Magic. Each Magic cycle has its own look and feel. They put a lot of care onto the concept art, so that the architecture, clothing, people, monsters of a certain world have a specific feel and they are absolutely great at it. They need to take that esthetic approach into D&D. I think this 'pixar D&D ' manages it.

Again to those that haven't been paying attention to Magic artwork recently check out the Innistaad Block. Just really solid evocative artwork with no Giant swords or chain mail Bikinis

Recent Magic style is fine. And it would work for D&D - a lot better than Pixar style aimed at 8-year-olds.

No furry feet...

Interesting goblin. Goblins usually have that *gurgle gurgle* factor that makes them cartoonish, even in a dark fantasy setting. These don't look like anything I'd want to play with before eating.

Did you see the Tulumi bard? Here come the racism accusations.

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;630554To all of those who say that manga art styles don't support the old school ethic -

To thee I reply - Guts from Berserk.  D&D as fuck. And with a huge but historically accurate Zweihander sword!

That's a lame, non-D&D-feeling piece of art.  Hair is stupid.  Square face is stupid.  Arm looks out of proportion.  Armor has huge gaps in crucial areas for "cool" factor, even though in effect the bottom of the biceps would be rubbing directly against sharp plates of armor. Sword is incredibly stupid (the base of the sword is larger in width than his head, while the hilt is a twig that would snap from the weight of the sword).  Not my thing, at all.

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;630554To all of those who say that manga art styles don't support the old school ethic -

To thee I reply - Guts from Berserk.  D&D as fuck. And with a huge but historically accurate Zweihander sword!

You must be a troll.

Quote from: K Peterson;630564How the hell is that a "historically accurate" Zweihander? I've tried to find other Google Images of this character in case I'm missing the comparison. And I'm not seeing it.

I am also not sure about the historical correctness of that sword - especially the seemingly effortless way the boy wields it.

Trailer of the movie.

Quote from: 1989;630587You must be a troll.

Yeah, there is no anime or manga in old school D&D.  Old school Palladium, sure.  But not D&D.

I like the art from those Magic cards. The same way I've seen some non-D&D/PF art by Wayne Reynolds (for Osprey Books) that I didn't hate. I wish WotC directed D&D artists towards this sort of look and not towards the extreme action-pose quasi-manga quasi-superhero quasi-WoW look that is such a turn-off for me.

Quote from: Mistwell;630577That's a lame, non-D&D-feeling piece of art.  Hair is stupid.  Square face is stupid.  Arm looks out of proportion.  Armor has huge gaps in crucial areas for "cool" factor, even though in effect the bottom of the biceps would be rubbing directly against sharp plates of armor. Sword is incredibly stupid (the base of the sword is larger in width than his head, while the hilt is a twig that would snap from the weight of the sword).  Not my thing, at all.

Argle Bargle.  Physics has meant nothing for D&D art, unless Erol Otus is now the model for which we measure "realism" (hah!) or "authenticity." This is wounds, action, barely contained raw physicality.  Check out the comic - it's raw, dark, and over the top, like a lot of swords and sorcery written by the great Appendix N authors.

Guts stinks the entire Appendix N aesthetic.  That's what counts!

And no, I'm not trolling.  Appendix N adaventurers are dirty mercenaries and adventurers.  More Fafrhd and Conan for me.

Now, as to Zweihanders -

This is one -



This is a real life one being held for reference.



These things were used by heavy infanry to break cavalry lines and gut horses.  The swords we see in games in FF VII, while being stylized, are actually based in grounded military fact.  Errol Flynn has less to do with battlefield combat than characters like Guts.

Guts is certainly stylized, including his occasional one handed swings and the thickness of his particular horse gutter, but in a game where a man can chant gobbledy gook and fly through the air, two handers are not particularly a stretch.  Read some of the Appendix N style japanese comics like Berserk and Claymore, both heavily influenced by D&D as per their authors.  They bleed the Appendix N aesthetic.

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;630593Argle Bargle.  Physics has meant nothing for D&D art, unless Erol Otus is now the model for which we measure "realism" (hah!) or "authenticity." !

Are you high?  James Holloway was known for his very realistic arms and armor style.  I can't think of a single iconic D&D image where someone had this super huge anime weapon.

Quote from: 1989;630587You must be a troll.

No, I'm just sharing what I feel Appendix N is.  Trust me, you folks don't need me to get all hot and in a bother.

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;630597No, I'm just sharing what I feel Appendix N is.  

And you are so incredibly wrong as to make people wonder whether you are trolling for the lulz. Congratulations.

Quote from: Kaiu Keiichi;630593Argle Bargle.  Physics has meant nothing for D&D art, unless Erol Otus is now the model for which we measure "realism" (hah!) or "authenticity." This is wounds, action, barely contained raw physicality.  Check out the comic - it's raw, dark, and over the top, like a lot of swords and sorcery written by the great Appendix N authors.

Guts stinks the entire Appendix N aesthetic.  That's what counts!

And no, I'm not trolling.  Appendix N adaventurers are dirty mercenaries and adventurers.  More Fafrhd and Conan for me.

Now, as to Zweihanders -

This is one -



This is a real life one being held for reference.



These things were used by heavy infanry to break cavalry lines and gut horses.  The swords we see in games in FF VII, while being stylized, are actually based in grounded military fact.  Errol Flynn has less to do with battlefield combat than characters like Guts.

Guts is certainly stylized, including his occasional one handed swings and the thickness of his particular horse gutter, but in a game where a man can chant gobbledy gook and fly through the air, two handers are not particularly a stretch.  Read some of the Appendix N style japanese comics like Berserk and Claymore, both heavily influenced by D&D as per their authors.  They bleed the Appendix N aesthetic.

And somehow you think the real life sword is the same as the one that is in your illustration?

For realz?