Quote from: The Butcher;565235I too think that the world deserves a tribute game that does for AD&D 1e what DCC did for B/X, and what ACKS did for BECMI/RC.

I just have to pick a bone with this, because I think that DCC didn't do shit for B/X fans. Now, Labyrinth Lord is what did the retro-clone awesomeness dance for B/X.

Quote from: Gib;565390If you play 1e, it's okay to be grumpy about it because.

That makes you a better DM?

Quote from: jeff37923;565450That makes you a better DM?

When did the subject change over to weed?

Quote from: Rum Cove;565446I was going to address the rant that you removed by editing (to the point that I'm in complete agreement with what you had wrote).

Sorry, man. I took a glance at the threads and thought I might have been a bit quick on that trigger. And I was afraid it made me look annoyed and frustrated by this thread. Which I'm not, just bewildered by where its gone.

QuoteCongratulations on finding the old books at a good price.  What was the condition of the books?

Really good actually! At first I thought the person who sold them to HPB might have got the reprints and said goodbye to a bad set. But there's some scuffing on the top and bottom of the spines, but otherwise in really good shape. They've been used (and I love how HPB leaves whatever papers are in the books, so there's some random notes in the pages, most of which I can not decipher). Used, but clearly loved as well.

So even if I never use them, I can at least bequeath them on down the old genetic line. And that's worth at least 20 bucks and some change to me.

Quote from: Gib;565451When did the subject change over to weed?

When I was running a campaign with the Epic RPG (a great recommendation I got from this site, from a much more successful thread) we played on Sunday nights and I worked at a place that didn't drug test. So, every now and again someone would bring some green and I would partake.

I dunno if I became a better DM. I would think not. I got a bit paranoid a couple times, though, so I know I wasn't better at those times. Someone else might have better experiences, but I dunno if I would do it again. Unless EVERYONE was also toking.

Quote from: Kaz;565456When I was running a campaign with the Epic RPG (a great recommendation I got from this site, from a much more successful thread) we played on Sunday nights and I worked at a place that didn't drug test. So, every now and again someone would bring some green and I would partake.

I dunno if I became a better DM. I would think not. I got a bit paranoid a couple times, though, so I know I wasn't better at those times. Someone else might have better experiences, but I dunno if I would do it again. Unless EVERYONE was also toking.

I was going to post some sort of BS about moderation and all, but the truth is, that although I'll roll without it, I vastly prefer to have it there. It is possible to over do it, though, especially here in CO, where its pretty much legal, always plentiful and the quality is nuts.

Quote from: Kaz;565321I have to say I am a bit surprised by the number of people who say the game can't be altered.

Nah, that's not it.  Nobody is saying that.  You got a reaction to the idea of "I've never played 1e AD&D, and I want to...how should I modernize/change it before I've ever even played a game of it?"  

IMO, if you want to play 1e AD&D, you should play 1e AD&D.  Play the core rules for a while, first.  Then modify and make the game your own.  This is the same advice I gave several years ago to anyone "Considering OD&D" (see the "restrain yourself," part).  That doesn't mean I'm against making the game your own.

Quote from: Gib;565458I was going to post some sort of BS about moderation and all, but the truth is, that although I'll roll without it, I vastly prefer to have it there. It is possible to over do it, though, especially here in CO, where its pretty much legal, always plentiful and the quality is nuts.

I would murder a man, I think, to toke up and play in one of your Metal Earth sessions.

Less crusty and more clarity at the beginning of the thread might have been the way to go.

Quote from: jeff37923;565448I just have to pick a bone with this, because I think that DCC didn't do shit for B/X fans. Now, Labyrinth Lord is what did the retro-clone awesomeness dance for B/X.

I agree. DCC is more for me given I prefer games that have non classic Dnd magic systems.

Quote from: Philotomy Jurament;565464Nah, that's not it.  Nobody is saying that.  You got a reaction to the idea of "I've never played 1e AD&D, and I want to...how should I modernize/change it before I've ever even played a game of it?"  

IMO, if you want to play 1e AD&D, you should play 1e AD&D.  Play the core rules for a while, first.  Then modify and make the game your own.  This is the same advice I gave several years ago to anyone "Considering OD&D" (see the "restrain yourself," part).  That doesn't mean I'm against making the game your own.

I get that. I totally do. But after the first reply saying that, or posts with a caveat, I would still like people to post some ideas on the subject. Instead, I basically got stonewalled for somehow not being experienced enough.

Six pages in and we still don't have one single person saying, "Well, back in the day, I added prestige classes!" Nope. Just lecturing.

Quote from: CRKrueger;565397People are going to tar and feather Ben for this one, but what he's really saying is...

Just read the rules and play, and you'll naturally develop what works for you.  

"Don't Houserule: Follow the Rules, and the Houserules will appear."  It's a French-Zen kinda thing.  

Well yeah. That's actually what I'm saying. And note I didn't just mention reading the rules, but reading the books, as in, what the modern gamer might see as "fluff text of Uncle Gary" is actually just as important if not more than the actual rules discussed in the books, IMO. That's the "spirit of the game" part, if you will, from which everything else flows, to me.

Quote from: Kaz;565470I get that. I totally do. But after the first reply saying that, or posts with a caveat, I would still like people to post some ideas on the subject. Instead, I basically got stonewalled for somehow not being experienced enough.

Six pages in and we still don't have one single person saying, "Well, back in the day, I added prestige classes!" Nope. Just lecturing.

Sorry, man -- posted while I was still catching up on the thread.  The truth is, most of the stuff I've added to AD&D at one time or another (e.g., skill systems, crap from the WSG, etc.) got taken back out.

But take a look at that "making the game your own" thing I linked to.  It doesn't really describe specific house-rules, but more of a philosophy or approach.  (And while it's not AD&D, if you want to see some house rules I added to my OD&D game, the rest of the site might be interesting.)

I'll definitely check it out. I'm pretty omnivorous when it comes to RPG reading.

In fact, I am pretty sure I read something of yours when I was hacking the shit out of RC. Pretty sure something of yours played a big role in how I did thieves skills.

Quote from: Kaz;565477I'll definitely check it out. I'm pretty omnivorous when it comes to RPG reading.

In fact, I am pretty sure I read something of yours when I was hacking the shit out of RC. Pretty sure something of yours played a big role in how I did thieves skills.

You should definitely read the approach of Alexis in Tao of D&D to thieving skills. It's definitely great food for thought:

http://tao-dnd.blogspot.com.es/search/label/Thieves

Also, he takes an enormous shit on OD&D that I find absolutely hilarious and spot-on on certain aspects:

http://tao-dnd.blogspot.com.es/2012/08/white-box-poll-results.html