I think it's probably accurate to say that Ernie alienated 75% of the RPG "INDUSTRY".

But the "industry" is not the hobby.

Quote from: Melan on June 28, 2021, 03:29:29 AM

Quote from: JeffB on June 27, 2021, 07:21:31 PM
Based on posts I'm seeing on MEWE, GenCon has banned the new TSR.

Yes they did. And this, urm, person is, apparently, GenCon's "Community Manager".

Holy fuck, self termed "super villain" as "Community Manager"?

Now I just need Happydaze to come along and brush it all off as a conspiracy theory.   

What a mess.

But in a way its karma for their antics at Gary Con a few years back possibly when they bent knee then to the cults demands. Nor here they are under fire and is anyone surprised? It was inevitable the cult of crazies would dig up something sooner or later and tear them down. And of course all the woke loons are falling all over themselves virtue signalling who can demonize them the most.

Also every time any more Kask opens his mouth my opinion of him diminishes that much more. Now Im starting to guess what Gary was possibly meaning about Kask way back if this sort of behavior goes far back.

As for WokeCon. Well thanks for saving me money as now I can consider real conventions instead of trash.

Quote from: Omega on June 28, 2021, 07:06:00 AM
Also every time any more Kask opens his mouth my opinion of him diminishes that much more. Now Im starting to guess what Gary was possibly meaning about Kask way back if this sort of behavior goes far back.

Agree on Tim Kask. To be as generous as possible, he comes across as very full of himself in almost every thing he writes.

What did Gary Gygax say?

What did Kask say that Gary had issue with? Kask seems like an assclown to me.

I used to go to GenCon nearly every year.  They will not receive another penny from me.

Looks like Rob Kuntz might have just made himself a target ...

https://www.enworld.org/threads/companies-freelancers-distance-themselves-from-the-new-tsr.680974/page-10#posts

   So..saying you prefer to cater to people not obsessed with gender identity is now a basic fatwa on all modern society?  I do have concerns for his endeavor, as people who are considered "hatemongers" (which looks more and more like anyone who will not take a knee and swear fealty to a cause) tend to be hounded to the point they can be denied access to banking/loans/essentially the right to live in society.   

   At this point, I would consider buying something from his new group if all they did was print pages and staple them together and sold them.  Hell I might go as far as to just buy a download of pages saved in word.  Banning from a con for just saying what a SHITLOAD of gamers already think (and no matter political thoughts, alphabet loyalty or what every, no way do more than less than a percent of gamers - people actually buying and playing rpgs - give a great deal of thought to gender identity issues in their games.).

   I do have to laugh that a.... person... self identifies as a damned super villain.  Can not make this shit up.

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 28, 2021, 04:07:37 AM
I think it's probably accurate to say that Ernie alienated 75% of the RPG "INDUSTRY".

But the "industry" is not the hobby.

Right. Recently Ethan Van Sciver was attacked by Scott Kurtz about endorsing his own product. Kurtz intimated that EVS couldn't get a fellow industry creator to endorse his product (that's not what happened at all). They totally miss the point that he doesn't want to be a part of "their" industry. They've hijacked it, they can have it and watch it slowly burn to the ground as these locusts move on to their next target.

Some of the reaction is also about the association with LeNasa. And then some more of it is about the kickstarters which have not delivered after being 5 years late, make constant excuses for that, and attack anyone who calls us on their shit (including that "no amount of effort" post he made on kickstarter) instead of owning up to it. And then of course there is the whole, "we think we're clever for stealing the intellectual property of others and are we not gracious for licensing it back to someone who accidentally missed a filing deadline?"

It's a combination of "We don't want a certain type of gamers if their politics is different than ours," and "we don't want anyone who doesn't worship Gygax," and "we employ people who have a lot of shady shit in their backgrounds and engage in some shady business ourselves," and "we don't hold up our end of bargains when doing business with gamers," and "we keep putting our feet in our mouths and have too much ego to really ever apologize and own up to that, but we will half-ass an apology because we want your cash." 

That is a combination of a dumpster fire. Y'all can pretend this is just about one thing, but it's about so many things that should make you back away slowly from this company.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on June 28, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
Looks like Rob Kuntz might have just made himself a target ...

https://www.enworld.org/threads/companies-freelancers-distance-themselves-from-the-new-tsr.680974/page-10#posts

Looks like Ernie apologized. Time for the piranhas to strip the flesh from his bones.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 28, 2021, 10:29:48 AM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on June 28, 2021, 08:49:59 AM
Looks like Rob Kuntz might have just made himself a target ...

https://www.enworld.org/threads/companies-freelancers-distance-themselves-from-the-new-tsr.680974/page-10#posts

Looks like Ernie apologized. Time for the piranhas to strip the flesh from his bones.

Oh god yes! The Big Purple crowd took all of about 10 seconds before they started in with, "That's not an apology and it's not good enough!"

Quote from: Mistwell on June 28, 2021, 10:22:10 AM
Some of the reaction is also about the association with LeNasa. And then some more of it is about the kickstarters which have not delivered after being 5 years late, make constant excuses for that, and attack anyone who calls us on their shit (including that "no amount of effort" post he made on kickstarter) instead of owning up to it. And then of course there is the whole, "we think we're clever for stealing the intellectual property of others and are we not gracious for licensing it back to someone who accidentally missed a filing deadline?"

It's a combination of "We don't want a certain type of gamers if their politics is different than ours," and "we don't want anyone who doesn't worship Gygax," and "we employ people who have a lot of shady shit in their backgrounds and engage in some shady business ourselves," and "we don't hold up our end of bargains when doing business with gamers," and "we keep putting our feet in our mouths and have too much ego to really ever apologize and own up to that, but we will half-ass an apology because we want your cash." 

That is a combination of a dumpster fire. Y'all can pretend this is just about one thing, but it's about so many things that should make you back away slowly from this company.

  Oh no, I fully realize Ernie is a disaster and always has been as far as I can tell.  I just laugh at trying to burn him down for what is a nothing statement that consisted of less than a second.  It is sort of like trying to charge someone with a hate crime after you catch them red handed for 10 counts of 1st degree murder.

Quote from: oggsmash on June 28, 2021, 11:28:03 AM
  Oh no, I fully realize Ernie is a disaster and always has been as far as I can tell.  I just laugh at trying to burn him down for what is a nothing statement that consisted of less than a second.  It is sort of like trying to charge someone with a hate crime after you catch them red handed for 10 counts of 1st degree murder.

   Blasphemy is typically considered the most heinous offense, especially for a rising religion with Manichean tendencies.

It's really a shame Ernie is such a five-alarm dumpster fire of a human being.  The people attacking him are so odious and vile, but he's not much better.

It's a double-shame since I love the Elevator Pitch for Giant Lands.   I have had a soft spot for Post Apocalyptic Weird Fantasy ever since I first watched Wizards (and to a lesser degree Rock and Rule).

I will be holding onto my cash until the game actually releases. I'm not breaking my "no pre-orders" rule for him.

Origins just banned them too