Based on posts I'm seeing on MEWE, GenCon has banned the new TSR.

Quote from: thedungeondelver on June 27, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
Get your PDFs and Print On Demand books, boyos, because it'll all be gone soon.

The woke mob is at the wall.

I just made sure I had downloads of all my TSR-era content from DTRPG ... just in case. 

NuTSR seems inconsistent and unreliable, but the wrath of the cultists appears focused on failure to make proper obeisance to the Spirit of the Age. I think I'm staying out of this skirmish. 

What did he actually say? Does anyone have a transcript or link to the interview in question?

Quote from: mightybrain on June 27, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
What did he actually say? Does anyone have a transcript or link to the interview in question?

I'm not even 100% clear on what exactly was said that was offensive. As far as I can tell, the contentious part was-

"TSR has been gone. There's a ton of artists and game designers and people that play..... and recently they were dissed for being old-fashioned, possibly anti modern trends, and enforcing, or even having the concepts of gender identity (laughs)."

I mean, is he laughing at the idea of gender identity? Or having it? That it's wrong or right or stupid? I'm not sure.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 27, 2021, 08:09:52 PM

Quote from: mightybrain on June 27, 2021, 07:56:13 PM
What did he actually say? Does anyone have a transcript or link to the interview in question?

I'm not even 100% clear on what exactly was said that was offensive. As far as I can tell, the contentious part was-

"TSR has been gone. There's a ton of artists and game designers and people that play..... and recently they were dissed for being old-fashioned, possibly anti modern trends, and enforcing, or even having the concepts of gender identity (laughs)."

I mean, is he laughing at the idea of gender identity? Or having it? That it's wrong or right or stupid? I'm not sure.

Yup. That was it. That one-second phrase with no real context and no actual condemnation per se was what set off the entire Twitter SJW crowd, who are clearly missing Donald Trump too much and desperate for people to be outraged with.

Tim Kask:

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry. Probably more than that, I don't believe that there's a quarter of the gaming industry that still are the neanderthals that he would make us out to be.

That's another thing. This whole thing has brought the OSR (the old school revival) into serious disrepute. Now there are some little Karens going on some of the social media and painting with the same brush all of us that were there back then based on the stupid ass sh*t that Ernie just said. No. We weren't all like that. And we aren't all like that now. He's a troll, a troglodyte, a neanderthal, if he really means that. It's a foolish person that doesn't wet his finger once in a while and feel the wind shift.

Now there've been claims in a couple of posts, one of which is by Ernie, about how the stalwarts, the old TSR are flocking to the banner. Bullsh*t....

... There is no one of the creative side of TSR from the early days involved with the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum. No one. Not one creative person. No matter who might be claiming what, they simply do not have the credentials. Being named DiMaggio does not mean you can hit a lot of home runs. Or that you even hit any home runs ....

... Just because you say you're TSR doesn't mean you are."

Commenting on Tim Kask, not direct at Mistwell.

Quote from: Mistwell on June 27, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
Tim Kask:

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry.

*Citation needed*

QuoteProbably more than that, I don't believe that there's a quarter of the gaming industry that still are the neanderthals that he would make us out to be.

That's another thing. This whole thing has brought the OSR (the old school revival) into serious disrepute. Now there are some little Karens going on some of the social media and painting with the same brush all of us that were there back then based on the stupid ass sh*t that Ernie just said. No. We weren't all like that. And we aren't all like that now. He's a troll, a troglodyte, a neanderthal, if he really means that. It's a foolish person that doesn't wet his finger once in a while and feel the wind shift.

Anyone who gets their panties in a bunch over pronouns should fold it twice and stuff it where the sun don't shine.

QuoteNow there've been claims in a couple of posts, one of which is by Ernie, about how the stalwarts, the old TSR are flocking to the banner. Bullsh*t....

... There is no one of the creative side of TSR from the early days involved with the Dungeon Hobby Shop Museum. No one. Not one creative person. No matter who might be claiming what, they simply do not have the credentials. Being named DiMaggio does not mean you can hit a lot of home runs. Or that you even hit any home runs ....

... Just because you say you're TSR doesn't mean you are."

That I can agree with. Until and if this nu-nu-TSR puts out any product, it's all just a lot of hot air, twitter drama, and empty bullshit.

There is an opportunity for the "new" TSR

The Lake Geneva Con they advertised

Make that a true "old school" convention. Now that Garycon is basically another WOTC woke fest, make the new convention an open invitation to adult, rational people, who want to game and have fun. Invite every designer or writer who was dogpiled, banned, cancelled, whatever. It could be year zero for getting things back on track.

they do that, I am there

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 27, 2021, 09:33:01 PM
Commenting on Tim Kask, not direct at Mistwell.

Quote from: Mistwell on June 27, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
Tim Kask:

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry.

*Citation needed*

https://youtu.be/Fe34PFuwwn4 Starts around 44:10.

Quote from: Red Death on June 27, 2021, 10:13:17 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 27, 2021, 09:33:01 PM
Commenting on Tim Kask, not direct at Mistwell.

Quote from: Mistwell on June 27, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
Tim Kask:

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry.

*Citation needed*

https://youtu.be/Fe34PFuwwn4 Starts around 44:10.

I think Ratman was wanting a citation that showed the 3/4 comment by Kask was actually correct.

Quote from: moonsweeper on June 27, 2021, 10:25:38 PM

Quote from: Red Death on June 27, 2021, 10:13:17 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 27, 2021, 09:33:01 PM
Commenting on Tim Kask, not direct at Mistwell.

Quote from: Mistwell on June 27, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
Tim Kask:

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry.

*Citation needed*

https://youtu.be/Fe34PFuwwn4 Starts around 44:10.

I think Ratman was wanting a citation that showed the 3/4 comment by Kask was actually correct.

3/4 of the gaming industry that cares what someone on twitter thinks maybe.

So whats that, a half of a half percent?

Quote from: moonsweeper on June 27, 2021, 10:25:38 PM

Quote from: Red Death on June 27, 2021, 10:13:17 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 27, 2021, 09:33:01 PM
Commenting on Tim Kask, not direct at Mistwell.

Quote from: Mistwell on June 27, 2021, 09:14:34 PM
Tim Kask:

"There has been bandied about in social media over the last several days several claims about what's going on in Lake Geneva right now. Ernie Gygax made a most egregious mistake in an interview he did on a podcast. He basically waved his bare ass in front of everybody that's concerned about pronouns, and woke, and all that right now in the industry and thumbed his nose at them. The transcript of his podcasts are there for everyone to read. That they were men, and they didn't give a sh*t, and la la la.

But right there they alienated three quarters of the gaming industry.

*Citation needed*

https://youtu.be/Fe34PFuwwn4 Starts around 44:10.

I think Ratman was wanting a citation that showed the 3/4 comment by Kask was actually correct.

Yes. That is where I intentionally broke the quote.

Let them come for the OSR.

Best thing for the OSR is more free publicity.

Quote from: Silas1066 on June 27, 2021, 09:34:58 PM
There is an opportunity for the "new" TSR

The Lake Geneva Con they advertised

When did they advertise that?

Anyone think they have the funds & staff to pull it off?

Quote from: Silas1066 on June 27, 2021, 09:34:58 PM
Make that a true "old school" convention. Now that Garycon is basically another WOTC woke fest, make the new convention an open invitation to adult, rational people, who want to game and have fun. Invite every designer or writer who was dogpiled, banned, cancelled, whatever. It could be year zero for getting things back on track.

I've talked about this before. As everything in society has become more polarized in the culture war, as has occured in our hobby, it only makes sense to have segregated conventions.

RainbowCon vs. STFUandRollCon

Or might as well call it TrumpGameCon and be done with it.

Being a non-native English speaker, I would like to say two things:

1. Very much like the Witcher, I'm a friend of humanity. And CSD parties were the very, very BEST parties, back in college. Still so, dear LGBTQIA*-BIPOC-FAFA folks, my ability to celebrate your choices comes and goes with my ability to pronounce your names. Like, for fuck's sake: Four letters, sure. Six letters, still okay. But sixTEEN letters? Come on, fellow hydrohomies. Simplify.

2. Why is it always a "he who smelt it, dealt it"-situation with these gay-mocking oldtimers? - I see some well-aged Sexychub, sporting le meticulously-kept mustache, hands and cheeks as rosy as the bottom of a Disney Princess, and wearing some rainbow shirt on top of that, joking about how 'em sixteen-letter folks are supposedly invading his playground. --- Yeah. Had he not talked, I would kind of have assumed that they quite frequently do. Now, given that the gentleman has to - talk, I mean -, I'm not precisely hearing "postmodernity is for sissies". I'm hearing, slight lisp included: "More one-eyed snakes have spit on this mullet than on the corpse of Ragnar Lothbrok".

Like, even the thumbnail for the video borders on wrongful appropriation of LGBTQ culture. - You tell me how the last gay person you encountered made you feel, Sir! Be descriptive.

Quote from: JeffB on June 27, 2021, 07:21:31 PM
Based on posts I'm seeing on MEWE, GenCon has banned the new TSR.

Yes they did. And this, urm, person is, apparently, GenCon's "Community Manager".