The Twitter D&D-SJW blood-craze over a passing comment from a 90 minute interview with Ernie Gygax is forcing me into the uncomfortable position of having to defend the Gygax Clan's version of Fredo.

I saw a lot being said about this: a lot of righteous indignation and emotion.  So much so that I reread the interview transcript.  I had not in face missed anything.

My second thought was I should check therpgsite for some actual analysis.  Sadly, it's getting harder and harder to find real reasoning about things these days...it's all reactionary and puritanical in outlook.

Looking forward to this video...

This dumbass kerfluffle has been all over the Facebook groups and doesn't increase the fun of RPGs one fucking bit.

Quote from: jeff37923 on June 27, 2021, 01:53:54 PM
This dumbass kerfluffle has been all over the Facebook groups and doesn't increase the fun of RPGs one fucking bit.

Does Facebook improve the fun of anything one bit? Serious question, because I haven't touched Facebook since 2011, and I don't think I'm missing anything worthwhile.

Quote from: HappyDaze on June 27, 2021, 01:57:37 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on June 27, 2021, 01:53:54 PM
This dumbass kerfluffle has been all over the Facebook groups and doesn't increase the fun of RPGs one fucking bit.

Does Facebook improve the fun of anything one bit? Serious question, because I haven't touched Facebook since 2011, and I don't think I'm missing anything worthwhile.

Honestly, I'm seeing a lot of good content being produced by individuals in the Traveller groups, the Cepheus Engine groups, the Maps groups, and the OSR groups - but this latest bullshit has overtaken A LOT of the OSR groups.

I think we've reached the political inversion point in rpgs.  All that matters now is whether the people in a company think and say the right things now.  It's like people don't want the product doesn't matter anymore.  Battle lines are being drawn up over a company that hasn't produced so much as a postcard.  Can't we go back to waiting until they actually make something and then decide if it's any good?

Quote from: Almost_Useless on June 27, 2021, 02:39:36 PM
I think we've reached the political inversion point in rpgs.  All that matters now is whether the people in a company think and say the right things now.  It's like people don't want the product doesn't matter anymore.  Battle lines are being drawn up over a company that hasn't produced so much as a postcard.  Can't we go back to waiting until they actually make something and then decide if it's any good?

That's because many of those braying don't actually play RPGs.

Quote from: jeff37923 on June 27, 2021, 01:53:54 PM
This dumbass kerfluffle has been all over the Facebook groups and doesn't increase the fun of RPGs one fucking bit.

This is what blows me away.  If there are real players in the outrage mob, they have not done a single thing with all of their energy that makes the game more fun.

I cannot believe how much discussion and energy is expended on this stuff via a vis the actual game.

I play for fun, period.  I really wonder if their silence during games about world hunger makes them somehow complicit with starving babies, by their measure.

Quote from: Dapig on June 27, 2021, 01:15:50 PM
I saw a lot being said about this: a lot of righteous indignation and emotion.  So much so that I reread the interview transcript.  I had not in face missed anything.

My second thought was I should check therpgsite for some actual analysis.  Sadly, it's getting harder and harder to find real reasoning about things these days...it's all reactionary and puritanical in outlook.

Looking forward to this video...

Hope you found it helpful.

As a knee jerk reaction I wanted to support this just to have another company out there that won't cave to the woke mob. Unfortunately I'm not seeing them producing quality content any time soon.

Quote from: Almost_Useless on June 27, 2021, 02:39:36 PM
I think we've reached the political inversion point in rpgs.  All that matters now is whether the people in a company think and say the right things now.  It's like people don't want the product doesn't matter anymore.  Battle lines are being drawn up over a company that hasn't produced so much as a postcard.  Can't we go back to waiting until they actually make something and then decide if it's any good?

   "Also it causes all, both small and great, both rich and poor, both free and slave, to be marked on the right hand or the forehead, so that no one can buy or sell unless he has the mark ... "

   Or roll dice, apparently.

I think WotC is in for a rude surprise if they're shutting the door on everyone but the Moral Busybody crowd.  Marvel pandered to them, and now Marvel can't sell toilet paper in a diarrheic outbreak.  The woke crowd don't spend money on the hobby they invade and destroy.  You will find more people discussing RPGs (and by "discussing RPGs" I mean policing them for wrongthink) than you ever will playing them if these people have their way.  And they sure as shit won't actually buy the rules.

They finally found a wedge to publicly come after old-school games, like a full-court press, and start tearing down Gary Gygax, and his legacy.

Get your PDFs and Print On Demand books, boyos, because it'll all be gone soon.

The woke mob is at the wall.

Oh, and Pundit?  If Ernie's Fredo, what the fuck does that make you?  Moe Green?  Hyman Roth?  No - it's Senator Geary.  Yeah, there you go.

Quote from: thedungeondelver on June 27, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
I think WotC is in for a rude surprise if they're shutting the door on everyone but the Moral Busybody crowd.  Marvel pandered to them, and now Marvel can't sell toilet paper in a diarrheic outbreak.  The woke crowd don't spend money on the hobby they invade and destroy. 

We've discussed "woke" kickstarters that have brought in money.
Of course, funding a kickstarter and selling a book on a shelf are two very different things.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 27, 2021, 06:00:52 PM

Quote from: thedungeondelver on June 27, 2021, 05:58:08 PM
I think WotC is in for a rude surprise if they're shutting the door on everyone but the Moral Busybody crowd.  Marvel pandered to them, and now Marvel can't sell toilet paper in a diarrheic outbreak.  The woke crowd don't spend money on the hobby they invade and destroy. 

We've discussed "woke" kickstarters that have brought in money.
Of course, funding a kickstarter and selling a book on a shelf are two very different things.

They swap money around like pogs.  A closed, entirely incestuous economy isn't really an economy.  Saying woke KS' still draw money is like saying there's no unemployment in North Korea.

Quote from: Almost_Useless on June 27, 2021, 02:39:36 PMI think we've reached the political inversion point in rpgs.  All that matters now is whether the people in a company think and say the right things now.

I would suggest, with some cautious optimism, that this is an aspect less of actual RPGs and their play than of the online RPG discussion community.