Quote from: Spinachcat on June 28, 2021, 12:41:21 AM

Quote from: Thornhammer on June 26, 2021, 03:35:45 PM"Make Fantasy Great Again" would have brought forth much more hilarity.

That would have required balls.

And it would have made them lots of money.

There's plenty of people with disposable income on the non-SJW side of the culture war and for many people, that cash is burning in their pockets to support good product.

And anti-woke company hosting anti-woke cons would make cash, and notable cash if their products were actually good.

That's for sure! That describes me exactly.

I just don't understand why people (e.g. Cook, Tweet, Jacobs) would become involved in Dungeons and Dragons if they secretly harbour hate for its foundation, creators, and fans.

It boggles the mind.

It goes beyond personal preference and into malice. It's extremely passive aggressive and cowardly.

Quote from: 1989 on June 28, 2021, 10:40:27 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 28, 2021, 12:41:21 AM

Quote from: Thornhammer on June 26, 2021, 03:35:45 PM"Make Fantasy Great Again" would have brought forth much more hilarity.

That would have required balls.

And it would have made them lots of money.

There's plenty of people with disposable income on the non-SJW side of the culture war and for many people, that cash is burning in their pockets to support good product.

And anti-woke company hosting anti-woke cons would make cash, and notable cash if their products were actually good.

That's for sure! That describes me exactly.

I just don't understand why people (e.g. Cook, Tweet, Jacobs) would become involved in Dungeons and Dragons if they secretly harbour hate for its foundation, creators, and fans.

It boggles the mind.

It goes beyond personal preference and into malice. It's extremely passive aggressive and cowardly.

  I think it is the case of narcissists who are RAGING at the fact that a person they consider less talented than themselves came up with something so much better than anything they have ever done in their lives.

If they are back, I'm guessing at this point they are on Life Support again 

You know, it's funny, I used to think that most gamers were basically like me, and, for sure, the creators even more so. We were all just one big/small community of gamers who loved smiting evil. How naïve I was.

It turns out that the evil these designers want to smite is . . . heterosexual white men.

Pathetic.

Complete faggotry!

We are a couple years out from man-boy-love being normalized within the WOTC gameworld

Quote from: Silas1066 on June 28, 2021, 12:18:26 PM
We are a couple years out from man-boy-love being normalized within the WOTC gameworld

  The cynic in me says it would have been normalized already if it weren't such a handy stick to beat the Catholic Church with.

And in case anyone missed it, GenCon put out this statement on their Twitter:

Quote"Gen Con is not associated with TSR Games and we don't support their recent statements. While the foundation of Gen Con is tied with the history of TTRPGs, our goal is to build off the good, acknowledge the bad, and work toward a present free from racism, misogyny, and homophobia."

Then they banned TSR and Ernie from the convention.

Quote from: oggsmash on June 28, 2021, 11:29:50 AM

Quote from: 1989 on June 28, 2021, 10:40:27 AM

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 28, 2021, 12:41:21 AM

Quote from: Thornhammer on June 26, 2021, 03:35:45 PM"Make Fantasy Great Again" would have brought forth much more hilarity.

That would have required balls.

And it would have made them lots of money.

There's plenty of people with disposable income on the non-SJW side of the culture war and for many people, that cash is burning in their pockets to support good product.

And anti-woke company hosting anti-woke cons would make cash, and notable cash if their products were actually good.

That's for sure! That describes me exactly.

I just don't understand why people (e.g. Cook, Tweet, Jacobs) would become involved in Dungeons and Dragons if they secretly harbour hate for its foundation, creators, and fans.

It boggles the mind.

It goes beyond personal preference and into malice. It's extremely passive aggressive and cowardly.

  I think it is the case of narcissists who are RAGING at the fact that a person they consider less talented than themselves came up with something so much better than anything they have ever done in their lives.

Well, that was the original reaction to OD&D from the West Coast Fandom crowd - "How dare those Midwestern rubes produce something popular! And based on those stories, after we worked so hard to make them go away!"

Quote from: Jaeger on June 22, 2021, 02:41:31 AM
Monte Cook: Originally Posted by Monte Cook on his now defunct livejournal blog.
https://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?t=16418

Select quotes:
"When I worked at TSR, there was always basically a truism in cover art--the central figure had to be a white male. Most of us actually helping to create the cover art, either by conceiving it or actually creating it, hated that kind of outlook, ..."
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"...when D&D was bought by WotC and we started working on 3E, we really felt that this was a time when we could break this mold. ..."

Quote from: 1989 on June 28, 2021, 11:38:20 AM
You know, it's funny, I used to think that most gamers were basically like me, and, for sure, the creators even more so. We were all just one big/small community of gamers who loved smiting evil. How naïve I was.

It turns out that the evil these designers want to smite is . . . heterosexual white men.

The move towards diversity has been going on for a while. The 1970s and 1980s had a lot of intentional branching out from white men in general -- like 1980s Saturday morning cartoons with deliberate diversity. The D&D cartoon had a black girl and white girl as two of the three leaders (with Bobby, Presto, and Eric as younger and/or comic relief). The 1980 Basic Set had a woman as the most prominent lead.



However, the later BECMI sets and 2nd edition went back to only white men on the cover. Cook's comment is that TSR created a corporate requirement that *only* white men appear on the cover. Maybe Cook does hate white men, but I think it is possible to be against a corporate requirement for only white men on the cover, and not hate white men.

Even after the requirement was lifted in the WotC era, he still reveled in seeing the white male character repeatedly thrashed/killed, etc.

Sick. Pathological.

This is the sort of cuck that would take a knee for BLM. Or worse.

This is all kind of coming together these days. Violence against Redgar. A couple decades later, violence against whites, Critical Race Theory, etc.

It's degenerate minds of people like him who allow this to happen.

Quote from: jhkim on June 28, 2021, 02:18:54 PM

Quote from: Jaeger on June 22, 2021, 02:41:31 AM
Monte Cook: Originally Posted by Monte Cook on his now defunct livejournal blog.
https://www.thepiazza.org.uk/bb/viewtopic.php?t=16418

Select quotes:
"When I worked at TSR, there was always basically a truism in cover art--the central figure had to be a white male. Most of us actually helping to create the cover art, either by conceiving it or actually creating it, hated that kind of outlook, ..."
...
"...when D&D was bought by WotC and we started working on 3E, we really felt that this was a time when we could break this mold. ..."

Quote from: 1989 on June 28, 2021, 11:38:20 AM
You know, it's funny, I used to think that most gamers were basically like me, and, for sure, the creators even more so. We were all just one big/small community of gamers who loved smiting evil. How naïve I was.

It turns out that the evil these designers want to smite is . . . heterosexual white men.

The move towards diversity has been going on for a while. The 1970s and 1980s had a lot of intentional branching out from white men in general -- like 1980s Saturday morning cartoons with deliberate diversity. The D&D cartoon had a black girl and white girl as two of the three leaders (with Bobby, Presto, and Eric as younger and/or comic relief). The 1980 Basic Set had a woman as the most prominent lead.

Yes, the 80's where we got our first taste of token diversity. It went down ok because it wasn't so pandering and agenda driven as it is now. Just a bit clumsy and ham handed.

QuoteHowever, the later BECMI sets and 2nd edition went back to only white men on the cover. Cook's comment is that TSR created a corporate requirement that *only* white men appear on the cover. Maybe Cook does hate white men, but I think it is possible to be against a corporate requirement for only white men on the cover, and not hate white men.

Theoretically, yes. In the current culture? My money is on hating white men.

To avoid risking the wrath of Pundit, Imagine I put a link to your favorite article about over the top "toxic whiteness" here.

Quote from: 1989 on June 27, 2021, 09:49:15 PM

I have to say, that's some pretty good research right there. Thanks for posting that.

Your welcome.

One truth about the left that I have learned is that these guys are very proud of what they do, and always 'out' themselves sooner or later.

Quote from: SHARK on June 27, 2021, 10:28:25 PM
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*Laughing* Notice the stark contrast between what the average, dopey, naïve gamer likes to believe--there's just a few changes made, so the game is more appealing to a broader audience than old, fat white men--and the true, malicious ideologies and attitudes embraced by the lead designers and writers, and their insidious intentions to steadily subvert and corrupt the game.
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Yes, This!

Even some people on this board are in utter denial. "It's barely there..." "Easy to ignore..." etc.

Not only should that crap not be there in the first place, but the dial always gets turned up never down. To the left we are all just a bunch of lobsters on slow boil. And they will milk and shame you for all the cash that they can before they boil you to death.

The stuff I cited in my little research bit is readily available. It was always there. The truth is easy to see for those with open eyes.

These guys have hated the mainstream RPG demographic for years. Because they have been taught to hate themselves, and so they hate you too.

People need to wake up and understand; The left is incapable of understanding hyperbole, or figures of speech, and they take everything literally.

The Left/SJW's are not joking about what they want to do to us. They mean every word.

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 28, 2021, 12:41:21 AM
There's plenty of people with disposable income on the non-SJW side of the culture war and for many people, that cash is burning in their pockets to support good product.

And anti-woke company hosting anti-woke cons would make cash, and notable cash if their products were actually good. ...

I agree.

To be anti-woke you don't need to be explicitly right-wing in any way. You just need to not cater to the woke in any form.

Greetings!

You know, the condescending self-righteous attitude of all of the woke fucking cucks is especially infuriating to my mind. Diversity? Inclusiveness? Such ideological bullshit. They can all choke on it. For decades, I have run my campaigns with players as well as featuring NPC's that are Asian-like, brown, black, as well as white. Geesus. How about purple, red, and lemon yellow coloured people for fucking diversity?

Strange though, none of the players in my groups were ever "offended" at mixing with different races and cultures, or also meeting prominent females of different classes, either. None of my players have ever accused me of somehow forcing "diversity" on them. No one ever thought, "Hmmm...SHARK has us meeting some elephant people, and a group of lemon-yellow coloured humanoids. He must be trying to ram some terrible SJW mind-fucking agenda down our throats!"

All of these woke fuckers are disgusting and terrible.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Jaeger on June 28, 2021, 02:48:16 PM

Quote from: 1989 on June 27, 2021, 09:49:15 PM

I have to say, that's some pretty good research right there. Thanks for posting that.

Your welcome.

One truth about the left that I have learned is that these guys are very proud of what they do, and always 'out' themselves sooner or later.

Quote from: SHARK on June 27, 2021, 10:28:25 PM
...
*Laughing* Notice the stark contrast between what the average, dopey, naïve gamer likes to believe--there's just a few changes made, so the game is more appealing to a broader audience than old, fat white men--and the true, malicious ideologies and attitudes embraced by the lead designers and writers, and their insidious intentions to steadily subvert and corrupt the game.
...

Yes, This!

Even some people on this board are in utter denial. "It's barely there..." "Easy to ignore..." etc.

Not only should that crap not be there in the first place, but the dial always gets turned up never down. To the left we are all just a bunch of lobsters on slow boil. And they will milk and shame you for all the cash that they can before they boil you to death.

The stuff I cited in my little research bit is readily available. It was always there. The truth is easy to see for those with open eyes.

These guys have hated the mainstream RPG demographic for years. Because they have been taught to hate themselves, and so they hate you too.

People need to wake up and understand; The left is incapable of understanding hyperbole, or figures of speech, and they take everything literally.

The Left/SJW's are not joking about what they want to do to us. They mean every word.

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 28, 2021, 12:41:21 AM
There's plenty of people with disposable income on the non-SJW side of the culture war and for many people, that cash is burning in their pockets to support good product.

And anti-woke company hosting anti-woke cons would make cash, and notable cash if their products were actually good. ...

I agree.

To be anti-woke you don't need to be explicitly right-wing in any way. You just need to not cater to the woke in any form.

good post

I would add that it is very true that to be "anti-woke" is not to be a member of any political ideology

to be anti-woke means to be rational, reasonable, and prudent in one's worldview

You don't need to be a right-winger to reject the following woke propositions / agendas

1. The idea that biological sex is "non-binary" and that gender is "assigned" at birth. The idea that gender is totally fluid and without environmental or genetic drivers.

This is patently nonsense and non-scientific. Sex is not arbitrarily assigned by a doctor at birth: it is recognized through a criteria that involves numerous things, such as genetics / chromosomes, muscular-skeletal differences (women have a wider pelvis), reproductive organs, etc. There has NEVER been a confirmed "third biological sex" confirmed anywhere. There is no XYZ, but only variation within the given binary system of male and female.

Likewise, this idea that there are 73 genders (or whatever it is) is not based on science, but is a capricious and arbitrary fantasy without criteria or standard.

2. That "green energy" consists of solar and wind, and that stuff can power the whole world.

Bullshit: that stuff isn't green--it requires massive mining projects, rare-earth metals, shipping equipment via fossil-fuel powered ships and trucks, and has a limited lifespan, leading to toxic solar panels in landfills or in the oceans. Likewise, it has been demonstrated many times that such technology cannot provide all the energy we need going forward --it can't even provide a small percentage. It is inefficient and unreliable (requires natural gas backup).

3. That institutional and systemic racism exists in the US and will always exist.

Again, bullshit. There is not a right or immunity that I enjoy as a white guy in the USA that a black guy does not also enjoy. We have equal protection under the law, and we are subject to the same rules, laws, and regulations. There is no separate legal system for black people, or separate banking system for whites. In cases of private-sector, illegal discrimination, the government sought redress through the EEOC, Affirmative Action, and anti-redlining laws.

the left takes localized, individual cases or prejudice, or (illegal) discrimination against blacks, and then extends them to the culture and society in general. Black gets beaten up by a cop in Alabama? All cops nationwide are racist and precincts promote violence against POC. Black woman is turned down for a home loan? Banks are racist. Black people earn less in income than whites? Must be due to institutional racism --it is impossible that it has more to do with education levels, single-parent households, etc.

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I could go on and on, but the basic problem here is that we are dealing with people who have deliberately dispensed with logic, science, and reason in order to embrace this fantastical perception of reality. They have selected an ideology, and then manipulate data, history, and social reality to fit that ideology. It goes from gender identity, to environmentalism, to race relations.

I am not required to respect this or to indulge these ideas. I see no reason to argue with someone over flat-earth or 73 genders.

and we have WOTC, Gencon, Origins, etc. all paying lip-service to this stuff and creating policy on it.

Quote from: 1989 on June 28, 2021, 02:32:56 PM
Even after the requirement was lifted in the WotC era, he still reveled in seeing the white male character repeatedly thrashed/killed, etc.

Sick. Pathological.

This is the sort of cuck that would take a knee for BLM. Or worse.

This is all kind of coming together these days. Violence against Redgar. A couple decades later, violence against whites, Critical Race Theory, etc.

It's degenerate minds of people like him who allow this to happen.

Hey old man yelling at the clouds, have you considered that Redgar getting his ass kicked was just a funny running in-joke in the company at that point and not some giant conspiracy to trash white men in general? I feel very confident Redgar getting his butt kicked on the cover of some books did not lead to "violence against whites" in general nor "critical race theory" in general.