Quote from: King Tyranno on January 30, 2024, 08:57:49 AM

Quote from: Brad on January 30, 2024, 08:50:56 AM

Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 29, 2024, 09:41:52 PM
Summary of argument:

• disagree with ancillary statement (x-cards in a thread about triggers)
• uses personal anecdotes as if they preclude the general statement from being true
• ends with a rejection of dichotomy (it's not this or that; it's both!)

Who let the jhkim AIbot in the thread?

I always just thought he was a sycophant, but now that you're pointing it out, it is fucking ridiculously suspicious he just ALWAYS has a specific anecdote that disputes a general point. Like always. Say most of the trans people you've met are mentally ill? Welp, jhkim plays with two of them who are paragons of society and have PhDs in particle physics, hardly mentally ill!

He doesn't have a single actual argument and everything he says boils down to the most anemic "both sides" fence sitting bullshit. It contributes nothing to any forum discussion. It just takes up space.

HOLY SHIT! Thank God I'm not the only one who thought this!

Quote from: Quasquetonian on January 30, 2024, 10:33:40 AM
Back in the 1990s, I had a friend who became a vegan.  He had always been kind of annoying, but after he became a vegan, he was insufferable.  If someone invited him over to eat, not only did he bring his fussy dietary restriction, but he would ask whether the food was cooked in a pan that had been used for meat, stuff like that.  One time, we went to the diner, and he ran the waitress ragged.  He had her go back to ask the cook all these questions about how and where the food was prepared. 

Watching him, I realized that the veganism wasn't actually the point.  The point was that he could use it to exert control over other people, and I realized that he had been trending in that direction the entire time I'd known him.  By which I mean he had always been bossy and fussy, but people mostly brushed him off or teased him about it.  But he discovered in veganism a way to make well-meaning people jump through hoops for him.  Not only that, but he could feel good about it, because it was all in the name of kindness.  (I stopped going out to eat with him, and people gradually stopped inviting him places.)

Trigger warnings, x-cards, and the like are, for the most part, ways for the same type of people to exert control over other well-meaning people, all in the name of kindness and empathy.

Q: How do you know a vegan is in the room?
A: They told you 57 different times and ways as soon as they walked in the door.

Hell that's a running theme for a lot of the garbage that comes out of the left-wing intelligentsia. Doing something unkind for the sake of kindness. Such as, "of course we want diverse backgrounds and ideas, unless they contradict our own."

QuoteIt's possible to be a vegan and shut the fuck up about it.

Quote from: Cathode Ray on January 30, 2024, 08:38:14 AMBefore the era of wokeness, no one was so dumb that we had to explain this to anyone.  Keifer Sutherland is not really a government agent who tortures people to get information out of them.

While I 100% agree with the rejection of nonsense like "dwarves drinking is racist" or "drow are metaphors for black people, so racist", your examples are flawed.  Soap opera actors and wrestlers were -famous- for being recognized and treated as villains/heels out in public.  TTRPG players aren't the only ones who confuse fantasy with reality.

Quote from: Habitual Gamer on January 30, 2024, 12:35:11 PM
wrestlers were -famous- for being recognized and treated as villains/heels out in public.

Before retards on the internet destroyed kayfabe, the notion that pro wrestling was real was pretty pervasive, if not believed by 95% of the people who watched it.

Quote from: blackstone on January 30, 2024, 12:12:31 PM
Q: How do you know a vegan is in the room?
A: They told you 57 different times and ways as soon as they walked in the door.

That's true!

However, other vegans I've known have been nowhere near as insufferable as this guy was.  It really was on another level, and it really seemed to be about forcing people to cater to his whims. 

He was already pretty invested in political correctness and would constantly attempt to police people's speech, except that he was just a friend among equals, and because he lacked authority, people would just blow him off or tease him.  With veganism, he discovered something that people were less likely to push back on, since hosts want to accommodate their houseguests and waitresses want tips, and he really went overboard.  Most vegans are simply annoying, but this guy was uncomfortable to be around.

Quote from: Quasquetonian on January 30, 2024, 12:54:47 PM

Quote from: blackstone on January 30, 2024, 12:12:31 PM
Q: How do you know a vegan is in the room?
A: They told you 57 different times and ways as soon as they walked in the door.

That's true!

However, other vegans I've known have been nowhere near as insufferable as this guy was.  It really was on another level, and it really seemed to be about forcing people to cater to his whims. 

He was already pretty invested in political correctness and would constantly attempt to police people's speech, except that he was just a friend among equals, and because he lacked authority, people would just blow him off or tease him.  With veganism, he discovered something that people were less likely to push back on, since hosts want to accommodate their houseguests and waitresses want tips, and he really went overboard.  Most vegans are simply annoying, but this guy was uncomfortable to be around.

Storytime:

When I met the woman I'd eventually marry, she was a divorcee. Her former husband was the type of guy who couldn't pass a polished surface without checking his looks. Very insecure. Anywho, they still remained friends, for the divorce was amicable.

He was also a vegetarian.

He noticed that he was getting nose bleeds more often when even doing the least strenuous tasks. He was lethargic, tired all of time.

and pale. (notice how an incredibly large amount of vegetarians are pale?)

He goes see the doctor and does some blood work. Doc comes back to him and says his blood iron is low.

Dangerously low. Like becoming anemic.

Ex comes back and says he has been taking iron supplements.

Apparently it wasn't enough. The doc says he must immediately get on a diet of high protein, especially red meat.

When I heard that, I couldn't stop laughing.

Quote from: I on January 30, 2024, 01:32:28 AM
Yes, plastic white robots trigger them too.  But if we made them black or red or yellow or brown, they'd claim that was racist because the robots are servants of a sort and therefore we'd be projecting our racist ideas of servitude.  It's like the "words are violence" thing, but also "silence = violence."  There's no way to win with these people.  Which is kind of the point:  they revel in being victims, and complaining is their main joy in life.

This is right on the money, as far as I'm concerned. The actual topic at hand (dwarves drinking ale, paladins killing scum undead) is merely a tool for their gratification as a victim or as an "ally" to victims. This is baffling to regular people because we consider the topic on its own merits. But for these people, the topic is merely a tool to get what they really want, which is of course dishonest and self-centered behavior that should be brought to light and mocked whenever encountered.

Quote from: BadApple on January 30, 2024, 12:19:24 PM

QuoteIt's possible to be a vegan and shut the fuck up about it.

[citation needed]

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 29, 2024, 08:44:55 PM
For better or worse, DMs have a leadership role at the RPG table.

This is what was missing from the original post. The DM told the OP through a text they were wrong after the fact instead of ending the argument with their opinion. They could have just stated that in their Forgotten Realms campaign the god in question believes Vampire Minions are sad victims that should not be called names or killed outright. I think the DM was weak in this situation.

Quote from: Ruprecht on January 30, 2024, 06:52:46 PM

Quote from: ForgottenF on January 29, 2024, 08:44:55 PM
For better or worse, DMs have a leadership role at the RPG table.

This is what was missing from the original post. The DM told the OP through a text they were wrong after the fact instead of ending the argument with their opinion. They could have just stated that in their Forgotten Realms campaign the god in question believes Vampire Minions are sad victims that should not be called names or killed outright. I think the DM was weak in this situation.

If the DM is going to go with "this is my own version of Forgotten Realms," he needs to tell people before char gen.

If the player made a Pally with the concept of righteous undead smasher, the DM suddenly saying "my version of your god is caring and understanding when it comes to undead" is a rug pull.

Quote from: Corolinth on January 30, 2024, 04:36:56 PM

Quote from: BadApple on January 30, 2024, 12:19:24 PM

QuoteIt's possible to be a vegan and shut the fuck up about it.

[citation needed]

This made snort tea.

Quote from: Grognard GM on January 30, 2024, 07:25:28 PM
If the DM is going to go with "this is my own version of Forgotten Realms," he needs to tell people before char gen.

If the player made a Pally with the concept of righteous undead smasher, the DM suddenly saying "my version of your god is caring and understanding when it comes to undead" is a rug pull.

I play paladins all the time, and I'd be pretty miffed if I got this pulled on me into an established game. I mean Turning Undead is one of the bigger paladin abilities unlocked later on and you if you take it away there's gotta be some catch. Maybe allow the paladin to control undead instead even though they're good?

Quote from: Quasquetonian on January 30, 2024, 12:54:47 PM

Quote from: blackstone on January 30, 2024, 12:12:31 PM
Q: How do you know a vegan is in the room?
A: They told you 57 different times and ways as soon as they walked in the door.

That's true!

However, other vegans I've known have been nowhere near as insufferable as this guy was.  It really was on another level, and it really seemed to be about forcing people to cater to his whims. 

He was already pretty invested in political correctness and would constantly attempt to police people's speech, except that he was just a friend among equals, and because he lacked authority, people would just blow him off or tease him.  With veganism, he discovered something that people were less likely to push back on, since hosts want to accommodate their houseguests and waitresses want tips, and he really went overboard. 

Working a deli for a few years, I took dietary requests seriously. I couldn't know if it was because of allergies or religious practices or moral principles, so I erred on the side of caution. (I didn't care about my employer,'s liability, they were morons)
I really despise that someone would take advantage of people trying to be contientious in order to extert social pressure on them, like your example there.