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Top Ten Super-Hero RPGs of All Time

Started by Apparition, August 20, 2013, 07:05:26 AM

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Exploderwizard

#30
August 21, 2013, 09:10:03 AM
Quote from: LibraryLass;683931It's (arguably) better-suited for it, but that's not what it is.

All characters are special snowflakes that have powers.

The PCs are assumed to be heroes.

Neither of those are true for classic D&D.

So if 4E isn't supers with fantasy lipstick then what is it, because it certainly isn't D&D.
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LibraryLass

#31
August 21, 2013, 09:17:05 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;684038All characters are special snowflakes that have powers.

The PCs are assumed to be heroes.

Neither of those are true for classic D&D.

So if 4E isn't supers with fantasy lipstick then what is it, because it certainly isn't D&D.

The game where two of the first three classes ever introduced are different kinds of magician doesn't include characters with powers?

The fantasy lipstick, I think, is another crucial distinction. Supers, to me, implies (relatively) modern. As far as I'm concerned something can't really be D&D-esque fantasy (that's not to say it can't be fantasy at all-- Wonder Woman, Thor, and Doctor Strange are all obvious evidence of that) and supers at the same time. And however different 4e is it's certainly D&Desque, in the sense that there are elves and dragons and beholders and stuff like that.
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Exploderwizard

#32
August 21, 2013, 09:26:15 AM
Quote from: LibraryLass;684041The game where two of the first three classes ever introduced are different kinds of magician doesn't include characters with powers?

The cleric does have deity granted powers. The magic user has spells gained through study and understanding of magical formulae.
 
Quote from: LibraryLass;684041The fantasy lipstick, I think, is another crucial distinction. Supers, to me, implies (relatively) modern. As far as I'm concerned something can't really be D&D-esque fantasy (that's not to say it can't be fantasy at all-- Wonder Woman, Thor, and Doctor Strange are all obvious evidence of that) and supers at the same time. And however different 4e is it's certainly D&Desque, in the sense that there are elves and dragons and beholders and stuff like that.

Modern/ fantasy/etc. are just trappings. If Spiderman joined up with a 4E D&D party he would fit right in. A heroic do-gooder in costume joining others to fight evil. He wouldn't be any less a superhero because he wasn't in the modern world.
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Bill

#33
August 21, 2013, 09:26:45 AM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;684038All characters are special snowflakes that have powers.

The PCs are assumed to be heroes.

Neither of those are true for classic D&D.

So if 4E isn't supers with fantasy lipstick then what is it, because it certainly isn't D&D.


Does Classic dnd include 1E?

I could agree with you IF you were refering to a dm enforced low magic, gritty dnd setting with no spellcasters.

But I have seen a ton of 1E dnd games with super powered spell casters, fighters with flying carpets, helms of brillance, and intelligent magic swords swooping around :)

High fantasy IS supers.



As for assumed to be heroes, 4E reccomends 'good heroic' characters. But the 4e books do address evil characters; it's just not encouraged.

I feel much of this topic is just 'How the gm manages the setting'

Piestrio

#34
August 21, 2013, 09:29:20 AM
Quote from: LibraryLass;684041And however different 4e is it's certainly D&Desque, in the sense that there are elves and dragons and beholders and stuff like that.

Ditto, I think folks are reaching.

4e is certainly in the same boat as D&D, or at least a nearby boat.

Kind of like (wait for it.....) (steady....) WoW is D&Desque ;) .
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LibraryLass

#35
August 21, 2013, 09:48:59 AM
Quote from: Piestrio;684050Ditto, I think folks are reaching.

4e is certainly in the same boat as D&D, or at least a nearby boat.

Kind of like (wait for it.....) (steady....) WoW is D&Desque ;) .

Oh, surely. WoW is D&Desque as fuck. So's Elder Scrolls, Lodoss War, Slayers, lots of fun things.
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#36
August 21, 2013, 09:58:21 AM
Quote from: LibraryLass;684055Oh, surely. WoW is D&Desque as fuck. So's Elder Scrolls, Lodoss War, Slayers, lots of fun things.

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#37
August 21, 2013, 11:28:32 AM
Of all time?  Why didn't they just call it a list of the superhero RPGs.  Let me know when they do a top 10 of 100 superhero RPGs list.

Silverlion

#38
August 21, 2013, 12:07:53 PM
I'm always amused by lists like these. Mostly, because when they're right based on the number of people who talk about, still play, or recall fondly a game that isn't this week's darling, or a specific fan's favorite, that means the whole list is invalid.

I have seen two different versions of a list like these in the past two weeks.
I find it interesting,  that neither one really matches the other.

My lists of "Best of all Time" would include just my favorites, but games I don't much like, yet still would be considered "Best" by me, for a certain kind of gamers.
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#39
August 21, 2013, 12:14:35 PM
1. There's more then ten Superhero games? I keed, I keed.
2. MHR is Roleplaying game now?
3. Seriously, no ICONS is weaksauce.
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Piestrio

#40
August 21, 2013, 12:43:00 PM
Quote from: Silverlion;684105I'm always amused by lists like these. Mostly, because when they're right based on the number of people who talk about, still play, or recall fondly a game that isn't this week's darling, or a specific fan's favorite, that means the whole list is invalid.

I have seen two different versions of a list like these in the past two weeks.
I find it interesting,  that neither one really matches the other.

My lists of "Best of all Time" would include just my favorites, but games I don't much like, yet still would be considered "Best" by me, for a certain kind of gamers.

"Ten things I like"

1. Cats
2. Watermelon
3. Silly hats
4. Macs
5. popping my back.
6. Lifting heavy things.
7. Movies, but only the good ones.
8. Books, some crappy ones.
9. having the TV on when I'm not really paying attention.
10. Cooking.

THIS LIST IS DEFINITIVE AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE HITLER.
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Grymbok

#41
August 21, 2013, 12:53:22 PM
Quote from: Piestrio;684118"Ten things I like"

1. Cats
2. Watermelon
3. Silly hats
4. Macs
5. popping my back.
6. Lifting heavy things.
7. Movies, but only the good ones.
8. Books, some crappy ones.
9. having the TV on when I'm not really paying attention.
10. Cooking.

THIS LIST IS DEFINITIVE AND IF YOU DISAGREE YOU'RE HITLER.

Nah, you did it wrong, "things I like" is personal so we can't disagree with you without suggesting you don't actually like cats. It needs to be a "best of all time" list.

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TristramEvans

#42
August 22, 2013, 04:20:25 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;6841081. There's more then ten Superhero games? I keed, I keed.
2. MHR is Roleplaying game now?
3. Seriously, no ICONS is weaksauce.

FASERIP is already on the list. Icons is just a copy with bad art, less support, and the dice mechanic swapped. Its had no discernable influence on the hobby, and really doesn't belong on a 'top ten list unless its jut 'top 10 one person likes. It'd be like insisting Blood of Heroes belongs on the list ( DC Heroes with generic, less supported system and bad art).

danbuter

#43
August 22, 2013, 05:59:12 PM
Never heard of Underground. I can't believe any list that includes Marvel Heroic Roleplaying.

Champions should be #1, and it's not even my favorite supers game. It was the game for almost two decades, though.
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#44
August 22, 2013, 10:26:36 PM
Underground was a satire game that was moderately clever at the time because of the Image virus of the 90s superhero industry ( sent this MMMS boy to Vertigo), and still holds amusement for anyone who was into comics at the time. Otherwise it was a typical 90s system that was functional if not pretty.

So, overall, its the Robocop of rpgs.
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