Quote from: ZalmoxisI'm kind of surprised that there isn't some sort of accounting of industry sales, some sort of compilation of the data.

There is -- see my previous 2 posts.

My sources tell me that SR4 is doing well. The Limited Edition of 1000 copies is sold out, and the standard core book is heading for a fourth printing.

Quote from: StuartThere is -- see my previous 2 posts.

I should have clarified, I mean with a more detailed breakdown. Your numbers give a good general view, but I meant something in more detail.

Quote from: JongWKMy sources tell me that SR4 is doing well. The Limited Edition of 1000 copies is sold out, and the standard core book is heading for a fourth printing.

Weird...there are 2 or 3 minty fresh copies of SR4 at a local used book store here, leading me to believe they were dumped by a distributor (along with a buttload of Eberron miscellanea).

Quote from: ZalmoxisI should have clarified, I mean with a more detailed breakdown. Your numbers give a good general view, but I meant something in more detail.

The magazine has a lot more detail -- avg. units sold, increases/decreases from last month, CCGs, Comics, Board Games, etc.

Quote from: StuartThe magazine has a lot more detail -- avg. units sold, increases/decreases from last month, CCGs, Comics, Board Games, etc.

Oh ok

Quote from: Elliot WilenWeird...there are 2 or 3 minty fresh copies of SR4 at a local used book store here, leading me to believe they were dumped by a distributor (along with a buttload of Eberron miscellanea).

FanPro is sold out, which doesn't mean every store is. This week's errata update is what's going into the upcoming fourth printing.

Quote from: StuartThere is -- see my previous 2 posts.

It's good but it really reflects game stores, not game companies.  That probably counts for roughly half of total sales.

Yeah, I'm sure there's a lot more to a company's overall sales -- but I haven't found a single source with more detailed stats.  It's interesting to compare RPG, Comic, CCG and Boardgame sales as well -- and to make note of which games are bookstores and which ones are not...

I can tell you the RPG sales at my bookstore:

1. D&D
2. WoD (mortal, although it's a requirement to play #3)
3. Vampire: the Requiem
4. Mage: the Awakening
5. Exalted (also a note, 3, 4, and 5 are VERY close)
6. Werewolf: the Forsaken
7. Star Wars RPG
8. D20 Modern
9-10 - Shadowrun, Rifts Ultimate Edition, WHFRP, (our innitial shipment of these games was 2 copies, we sold 2 copies of each of the games and have not and probably will not order them again)

According to the Game industry magazine COMICS & GAMES RETAILER, the March 2007 issue  - these were the top sellers for December 2006 :

1. Dungeons & Dragons        Wizards of the Coast
2. World of Darkness            White Wolf
3.Warhammer FRP                 Black Industries
4. GURPS                            Steve Jackson Games
5. Dungeon Crawl Classics      Goodman Games
6. Hero System 5th Edition      Hero
7. Rifts                                Palladium
8. Babylon 5                        Mongoose
9. d20 Modern                      Wizards of the Coast
10. Shadowrun                      Fantasy Productions

11. Iron Kingdoms       Privateer Press
12. Star Wars d20      Wizards of the Coast
13. Serenity               MWP
14. Castles & Crusades   Troll Lord
15. Exalted                   White Wolf
16. Mutants & Masterminds   Green Ronin
17. Conan                          Mongoose
18. Deadlands                     Pinnacle  (Great White , really)  
19. Savage Worlds               Great White  (Pinnacle)
20. A Game of Thrones       Guardians of Order

 Just posting this   - because its the most up to date info we have at the store and I thought some of you may find it interesting.

The above chart is based on the Average UNIT SALES for retailers' best-selling Role-Playing Games. The Magazine usually accepts info/results from game stores that are outside of the conitinental U.S.

- E.W.C.

The games sales data from C&GR is based on sales numbers from retailers who send in their store's info to the magazine.  These are probably some of the more savvy retailers, but it represents the industry in the same way that a terrarium represents the Earth.  We're only seeing a piece of the whole.  

Of course, manufacturers (naturally) don't want to share their sales numbers with the public or their competition, so it's probably the best source of data out there, unless you have access to big distributor Alliance Games sales sheets.  

Quote from: Mark PlemmonsThe games sales data from C&GR is based on sales numbers from retailers who send in their store's info to the magazine.  These are probably some of the more savvy retailers, but it represents the industry in the same way that a terrarium represents the Earth.  We're only seeing a piece of the whole.  

Nor do they reflect direct sales through online stores, right?

Quote from: JongWKNor do they reflect direct sales through online stores, right?

You are Correct on that.

 Those numbers are mostly a pretty good indicator of what Brick & Mortar stores are doing for that month.  Which is a useful thing to know if you are working at one.

For example , last year RIFTS /Palladium suddenly went from #19 to  to the top 5 between 2 issues of the magazine. The only thing pushing that to happen was that online appeal to fans that Palladium did. The magazine even noted that as the likely cause. We had NO new product from Palladium that would have driven sakles like that.

Usually every time a publisher releases a new book or product related to their line there is a noticeable "up-tick" in sales for that RPG line.

- E.W.C.

Quote from: Mark PlemmonsThe games sales data from C&GR is based on sales numbers from retailers who send in their store's info to the magazine.  These are probably some of the more savvy retailers, but it represents the industry in the same way that a terrarium represents the Earth.  We're only seeing a piece of the whole.  

Of course, manufacturers (naturally) don't want to share their sales numbers with the public or their competition, so it's probably the best source of data out there, unless you have access to big distributor Alliance Games sales sheets.  

Off-Topic: Mark, i've sent you a PM.

Sorry guys, back to game sales...