Honestly, I never understood the whole 'Latino/Latin' thing anyway. Sure, I'm just a dumb American redneck from the South, but I actually STUDIED Latin and to me someone who is 'Latin' means they're descended from the Latin tribes of Italy, not from the people of Iberia (who were mostly Visigothic by the time the country became Spain) let alone Hispanola. Spanish ain't Latin anymore than French is Latin. Sure, they're Roman-based languages and are descended from Vulgar Latin, but that's not the same thing.

And nary a cry for pity, the unsung Latinx, was heard!

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 11, 2024, 02:41:18 AMShe truly is the Gail Simone of video games.

I remain convinced Simone has been running a decades-long troll job on the comics industry and her own fans.

Quote from: daniel_ream on March 25, 2024, 12:52:16 PM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 11, 2024, 02:41:18 AMShe truly is the Gail Simone of video games.

I remain convinced Simone has been running a decades-long troll job on the comics industry and her own fans.

Well her Cosplay is certainly on-point.

Quote from: daniel_ream on March 25, 2024, 12:52:16 PM
I remain convinced Simone has been running a decades-long troll job on the comics industry and her own fans.

Le Gail and her crazy cat lady army has been terrorizing the comics industry for 25 years now.  Personally, I suspect that she just likes being a bully who can hurt people with impunity.   

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 26, 2024, 08:36:27 AM
Le Gail and her crazy cat lady army has been terrorizing the comics industry for 25 years now.  Personally, I suspect that she just likes being a bully who can hurt people with impunity.   

That may well be, and it's not contradictory to my (admittedly tongue-in-cheek) theory.  The touchstones are these:

• Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"
• She then pretended not to know why, and then interviewed a bunch of comics pros and presented them as not knowing why either.
• She got her "dream job" writing Batgirl by constantly pointing out that both of them were redheads.  That was it, no other qualifications.  And it worked.
• Her run on the Batgirl reboot undoes the character's history as Oracle and depicts her as the most incompetent and clueless member of the Bat-family, yet convinced she's smarter and better than the others.  It's such a note-perfect parody of the pampered millennialette that it's hard to believe it's accidental.
• Now that she's no longer the golden girl of DC comics, she's turned ugly and vindictive.

Her whole career has a Paul "Ettin" Matijevic feel to it.  I think Simone hates comics and hates comics readers, and has from the very beginning, and set out to see how much damage she could do by fucking with them.

Quote from: daniel_ream on March 26, 2024, 10:47:15 AM
Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"

Why do comics writers kill off the girlfriends and so gruesomely? Killing them off for the sake of cheap drama and shock value is one thing, but why are their deaths so gruesome in addition?

She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM

Quote from: daniel_ream on March 26, 2024, 10:47:15 AM
Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"

Why do comics writers kill off the girlfriends and so gruesomely? Killing them off for the sake of cheap drama and shock value is one thing, but why are their deaths so gruesome in addition?

She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.

Because it's not for cheap drama OR shock value, also I don't trust her with ANYTHING.

Why kill off the hero's loved one? For motivation, for moral dilema, because men and women WANT to protect their loved ones.

Gruesome deaths? In main stream comics? Press X to doubt.

As for dead men comming back... I bet you it's the titular hero, like in Superman, Hal Jordan and others comming back from the dead.

Wait, I just remembered a couple of gruesome deaths: Superman AND Jason Todd, I read the comic book that prompted the "women in refrigerators" bullshit, it was a GL with Kyle Rayner, and it's the first and ONLY time that has happened.

As for secondary characters comming back from the dead... Gwen Stacy

Barbara Gordon healed from paralisis...

WHY would you believe anything Fail Somemore said about anything?

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM

Quote from: daniel_ream on March 26, 2024, 10:47:15 AM
Simone got attention by asking the question "why do superhero's girlfriends so often end up dead in gruesome ways?"

Why do comics writers kill off the girlfriends and so gruesomely? Killing them off for the sake of cheap drama and shock value is one thing, but why are their deaths so gruesome in addition?

She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.

Comics are mostly read by men, usually younger men. Losing your woman and seeking vengeance is a powerful male motivator, an instigator for adventure and struggles all the way back to the epic poems of antiquity.

The men come back because they're the heroes, not girlfriends. Plenty of female heroes have come back, with Jean Grey being a strong example.

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.

There are two basic lies here.  One is that it is for cheap shock value.  The other is that this only happens to women.  The whole dead men defrosting thing was only invented after people who actually read comics pointed out that her fridging theory was demonstrably false.  First it was that this only happened to women.  Then, when people pointed out that this is false, it was that the men came back.  Then, when someone pointed out that women came back, it was that men come back more often.  These are all rationalizations to preserve her initial claim which was debunked a long time ago but keeps being repeated because it suits some people's politics and is a useful tool for some writers.   

Almost no one stays dead in comics.  There was an old joke that Gwen Stacy, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben were the only people in comics who actually stayed dead.  Two of those have come back from the dead since then.   

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 26, 2024, 09:50:13 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.

There are two basic lies here.  One is that it is for cheap shock value.  The other is that this only happens to women.  The whole dead men defrosting thing was only invented after people who actually read comics pointed out that her fridging theory was demonstrably false.  First it was that this only happened to women.  Then, when people pointed out that this is false, it was that the men came back.  Then, when someone pointed out that women came back, it was that men come back more often.  These are all rationalizations to preserve her initial claim which was debunked a long time ago but keeps being repeated because it suits some people's politics and is a useful tool for some writers.   

Almost no one stays dead in comics.  There was an old joke that Gwen Stacy, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben were the only people in comics who actually stayed dead.  Two of those have come back from the dead since then.   

Classic woke rhetoric.

Also, Bucky was in that prestige group of people that actually stayed dead. Until the 90s when he returned as the Winter Soldier. Now, its just Uncle Ben.

Quote from: Cipher on March 27, 2024, 12:03:47 AM

Quote from: yosemitemike on March 26, 2024, 09:50:13 PM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on March 26, 2024, 12:57:28 PM
She called this "women in refrigerators". She noted that when men are stuffed in the fridge, they tend to come back and she called this "dead men defrosting." Sometimes women stuffed in the fridge come back too, but it's far less common than the dead men defrosting.

There are two basic lies here.  One is that it is for cheap shock value.  The other is that this only happens to women.  The whole dead men defrosting thing was only invented after people who actually read comics pointed out that her fridging theory was demonstrably false.  First it was that this only happened to women.  Then, when people pointed out that this is false, it was that the men came back.  Then, when someone pointed out that women came back, it was that men come back more often.  These are all rationalizations to preserve her initial claim which was debunked a long time ago but keeps being repeated because it suits some people's politics and is a useful tool for some writers.   

Almost no one stays dead in comics.  There was an old joke that Gwen Stacy, Jason Todd and Uncle Ben were the only people in comics who actually stayed dead.  Two of those have come back from the dead since then.   

Classic woke rhetoric.

Also, Bucky was in that prestige group of people that actually stayed dead. Until the 90s when he returned as the Winter Soldier. Now, its just Uncle Ben.

I looked up Refrigerator Girl out of curiosity. Apparently she's stayed dead with only the occasional "What If?" alternate universe/time travel/ring construct version appearing from time to time.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandra_DeWitt

Because yeah. Death in comics is a joke. And when they try to portray it as a big hairy serious deal, I just roll my eyes.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 27, 2024, 03:06:55 AM
Because yeah. Death in comics is a joke. And when they try to portray it as a big hairy serious deal, I just roll my eyes.

The time when they tried to get people to care about Kamala Khan dying was hilarious.  She's totes dead for reals.  Sure she is.  She was back like a month later but a mutant now because Marvel isn't pushing Inhumans any more.  No one cared about the death of Ms Marvel because everyone knew she would be back almost immediately.