This current wave started in 2010. The mess of the 90s wave had mostly died down, but you could see the tentative beginnings as early as 09.

In RPGs it was RPG.Net and storygamers pushing here and there, in board gaming it was BGG mostly and even still now.

By about 2015 it was in full swing and gaining momentum. You could see the beginnings of it in D&D with the little entries in 5e. And that has increased gradually to its current state.

Outside RPGs its been about the same, this increasing level of control the woke have over every form of media.

And so far it is showing little likelyhood of a moments respite before the 2030 wave begins.

5 fucking years and we will be in some likely even worse lunatic spree.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on January 10, 2025, 02:06:22 PM

Quote from: jhkim on January 10, 2025, 01:52:17 PMStill, both Greyhawk and Forgotten Realms have always had a lot of non-white guys. They were designed as broad settings with lots of different ethnicities, not just European. But until 3rd edition, non-white characters weren't featured in the core rulebooks.

  Not quite. There's a black magic-user in the 1991 Rules Cyclopedia, p. 20.

More than just that. Black guy right there in the contents pages,asian pg6, and 28, the one you noted pg20, another asian pg30,  Theres some obviously Mediterranean ones scattered about too.

Quote from: SHARK on January 10, 2025, 11:34:08 PMGreetings!

You know, all of these Woke morons are fucking idiots.

 Being even remotely concerned about black or brown-skinned humans is fucking laughable. Humans need to think about being united to survive to avoid being fucking exterminated.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This is where genius is. Nobody would give a damn about differences in humans with everything else trying to kill you. The people trying to cause strife in our hobby have (probably) never been in an actually traumatic situation in their lives and really, saying orcs are like black people or worrying over diversity instead of letting things organically happen is really dredging for the lowest hanging fruit.

Excellent comment, SHARK!

White Wolf games, like Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse and Mage the Ascension were very progressive and have many critics to Western civilization values and could be, uncharitably sum up to white people bad ... But most the players, including me, did not give a damn about this weird secular guilt, which could only be expressed in liberal countries, like the US, Canada and Western Europe.
Like an other poster wrote, Gamergate was a central event of the rise of the MESSAGE (e.g terminal wokeness) yet I remember that Marvel comics had started to change etablised characters like Captain Marvel and Thor, but I might be wrong.
WotC/Hasbro began to hire in the late 2010's, early 2020, people who "critized" (playing their victim card and my culure is not a trove for your imagination colonizer drivel) for freelancing jobs, which they use for their resume for Patreon/Kickstarter clout ...

There is a black character on the cover of the 1981 AD&D module White Plume Mountain.  Nobody cared, because he looked cool.

The White Wolf games being painfully political is one of the reasons why I am so frustrated with their market dominance. If you want to play magical creatures on Earth that aren't rainbow fascists, then you're out of luck. I'm sick of that woke bullshit. Hopefully Paradox fumbling the video games will kill the damn things for good and open the market to new publishers.

Quote from: yabaziou on January 11, 2025, 01:28:47 PMWhite Wolf games, like Vampire the Masquerade, Werewolf the Apocalypse and Mage the Ascension were very progressive and have many critics to Western civilization values and could be, uncharitably sum up to white people bad ... But most the players, including me, did not give a damn about this weird secular guilt, which could only be expressed in liberal countries, like the US, Canada and Western Europe.

I'd generally agree about White Wolf. To me, _Shadowrun_ (1989) was also notably progressive - especially over Native American rights, since its future had much of North America being reconquered by Native Americans using magic.

In the post-2000 era, I didn't notice much politics in gaming discussion until around 2006. Pundit frequently knocks on The Forge for being elitist storygamers, whose peak was the early 2000s. While they were into story as an aesthetic, though, they weren't noticeably progressive politically. I noticed more politics in discussion in the later 2000s - starting with Blue Rose / True20, as well as some references in the post-Forge story games talk. That was around when I started here. It ramped up hugely in 2016 with the election.

Quote from: Crusader X on January 11, 2025, 05:29:40 PMThere is a black character on the cover of the 1981 AD&D module White Plume Mountain.  Nobody cared, because he looked cool.

Agreed. As I noted, TSR included a bunch of non-white characters in the 1980s era and it didn't seem controversial at the time - though they went with all white men for AD&D 2E. However, it seems that WotC's inclusion of non-white characters in 3E was more controversial, as Man at Arms puts it -

Quote from: Man at Arms on January 10, 2025, 04:48:45 AMWhen WOTC started work on D&D 3.0 the content of their first ever Player's Handbook, reflected some of their own personal preferences regarding gender, and having less white guys.  The big name creators involved, were in on that stuff.  They thought it was important to start changing the way D&D had been previously.  It's been growing and growing, ever since the year 2000, and the 3.0 edition.

Quote from: bat on January 11, 2025, 12:08:49 PM

Quote from: SHARK on January 10, 2025, 11:34:08 PMGreetings!

You know, all of these Woke morons are fucking idiots.

 Being even remotely concerned about black or brown-skinned humans is fucking laughable. Humans need to think about being united to survive to avoid being fucking exterminated.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This is where genius is. Nobody would give a damn about differences in humans with everything else trying to kill you. The people trying to cause strife in our hobby have (probably) never been in an actually traumatic situation in their lives and really, saying orcs are like black people or worrying over diversity instead of letting things organically happen is really dredging for the lowest hanging fruit.

Excellent comment, SHARK!

Greetings!

Thanks, Bat!

Yeah, I can see larger human kingdoms fighting against each other over land, politics, religion. For most humans though, whatever their social class or station, whatever their skin colour--with vampires, hordes of Orcs, Minotaurs, Trolls, and all the rest--as well as witches, cultists, demons, and dragons--and Tyrannosaurus Rex's running around eating and slaughtering everything they come across--

somehow, these idiots are obsessing over fat black lesbians, cripples in wheelchairs, and black and brown-skinned minorities being "properly represented"? And, well, some Asian people, too! All of that is somehow seen as top-fucking priority. And, strong, independent Feminist women!

None of these morons have the slightest real intelligence and self-reflection to actually look at themselves and what they are saying--and place that in context of the fantasy game world that is harsh, brutal, and looking to exterminate humans at every opportunity. None of these idiots see what they are saying and promoting as being just jackass stupid and mindless?

In such a fantasy meatgrinder and hellscape, where war, terror, and death are ever-present, all of these fat, weak, soft idiots--the crippled fucktards in wheelchairs, the fat, black lesbians, the weak, goateed Male Feminist metrosexual--all of these pathetic losers would be mulch, chewed up in the mud and just slaughtered.

How the fuck would any hardened soldiers, rough knights, or daring, cigar-chomping Adventurers, ever want these pathetic weaklings joining their ranks, heading into the maw of danger?

The reality is, most sane Adventurer groups would ruthlessly laugh at all of these fucktards and send them back home to stay with the women, the old people, and the kiddies.

You know when Adventurer groups are out digging and fighting through some mud-soaked, terrifying dungeon somewhere, like in so many dungeons, and they come across the slaughtered and looted bodies of failed adventurers? Or dungeons where pathetic adventurers have been captured, and brutally tortured and sacrificed to the Dark Gods?

Those failed adventurers are these Woke morons.

The Woke morons that bought into the delusion that they could be real adventurers, marching into a savage and brutal world. The sad truth is, NO. They would find absolute failure, terror, and death. That is why even within the fantasy world, real adventurers would drop-kick these weak losers to the curb before they ever left the tavern, after having a smoke.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

jhkim may be on to something regarding The Forge in the mid 2000s. While they may not have pushed politics, their methodology of proselytizing GNS theory and Professor Bat Penis' in all possible venues was definitely something adopted by the woke/SJW mobs. I seem to recall quite a bit of overlap between the two circles.

Quote from: jeff37923 on January 11, 2025, 07:55:35 PMjhkim may be on to something regarding The Forge in the mid 2000s. While they may not have pushed politics, their methodology of proselytizing GNS theory and Professor Bat Penis' in all possible venues was definitely something adopted by the woke/SJW mobs. I seem to recall quite a bit of overlap between the two circles.

I pointed this out way back and no one listened. Storygamers/Forge cultists were spearheading woke ideals and use the exact same tactics. And both stretch and twist and pervert terms to suit their agendas.

And both love to infiltrate and co-opt other groups/venues.

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2025, 07:24:16 PMIn such a fantasy meatgrinder and hellscape, where war, terror, and death are ever-present, all of these fat, weak, soft idiots--the crippled fucktards in wheelchairs, the fat, black lesbians, the weak, goateed Male Feminist metrosexual--all of these pathetic losers would be mulch, chewed up in the mud and just slaughtered.

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2025, 07:24:16 PMThe Woke morons that bought into the delusion that they could be real adventurers, marching into a savage and brutal world. The sad truth is, NO. They would find absolute failure, terror, and death. That is why even within the fantasy world, real adventurers would drop-kick these weak losers to the curb before they ever left the tavern, after having a smoke.

This is conflating players and characters here.

Overwhelmingly, both woke and non-woke players have no delusions that they could be real adventurers. It's a fucking game and they're sitting at the table rolling dice.

The people with the delusions are the ones who think that there is any measure of real-world toughness in a fantasy game.

Quote from: jhkim on January 12, 2025, 02:33:00 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2025, 07:24:16 PMIn such a fantasy meatgrinder and hellscape, where war, terror, and death are ever-present, all of these fat, weak, soft idiots--the crippled fucktards in wheelchairs, the fat, black lesbians, the weak, goateed Male Feminist metrosexual--all of these pathetic losers would be mulch, chewed up in the mud and just slaughtered.

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2025, 07:24:16 PMThe Woke morons that bought into the delusion that they could be real adventurers, marching into a savage and brutal world. The sad truth is, NO. They would find absolute failure, terror, and death. That is why even within the fantasy world, real adventurers would drop-kick these weak losers to the curb before they ever left the tavern, after having a smoke.

This is conflating players and characters here.

Overwhelmingly, both woke and non-woke players have no delusions that they could be real adventurers. It's a fucking game and they're sitting at the table rolling dice.

The people with the delusions are the ones who think that there is any measure of real-world toughness in a fantasy game.

Greetings!

*Laughing* It is these Woke morons sobbing about how *THEY* need to be represented in the fantasy game world. Thus, the weak, Male Feminist Metrosexual, the fat, black lesbian, the pathetic, intellectual cripple in a wheelchair--they have all insisted that they be represented in the game world. You see this all over the modules, the art, and so on.

So, having them represented in the game world, is a laughable joke, and utterly silly.

Beyond that, my overarching point is that such crying about black and brown people and cripples in wheelchairs need to be in the game--as in actual characters, not just *PLAYERS*--is absolutely moronic when stacked up against the assumed dynamics of a typical fantasy world filled with monsters and many different crazy races.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on January 12, 2025, 03:57:51 AMGreetings!

*Laughing* It is these Woke morons sobbing about how *THEY* need to be represented in the fantasy game world. Thus, the weak, Male Feminist Metrosexual, the fat, black lesbian, the pathetic, intellectual cripple in a wheelchair--they have all insisted that they be represented in the game world. You see this all over the modules, the art, and so on.

So, having them represented in the game world, is a laughable joke, and utterly silly.

Beyond that, my overarching point is that such crying about black and brown people and cripples in wheelchairs need to be in the game--as in actual characters, not just *PLAYERS*--is absolutely moronic when stacked up against the assumed dynamics of a typical fantasy world filled with monsters and many different crazy races.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It's a mental disorder. I am a big guy ( 6'1" about 320 or so) and I have never been offended by fantasy art that didn't include adventurers of my size. Deranged people simply cannot accept the fact that whatever "representative" group they are a part of, that nobody really cares. This is fantasy role playing. Just roll up the character , make them look like whatever you want them to look like, and play.

Quote from: SHARK on January 12, 2025, 03:57:51 AM

Quote from: jhkim on January 12, 2025, 02:33:00 AM

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2025, 07:24:16 PMIn such a fantasy meatgrinder and hellscape, where war, terror, and death are ever-present, all of these fat, weak, soft idiots--the crippled fucktards in wheelchairs, the fat, black lesbians, the weak, goateed Male Feminist metrosexual--all of these pathetic losers would be mulch, chewed up in the mud and just slaughtered.

Quote from: SHARK on January 11, 2025, 07:24:16 PMThe Woke morons that bought into the delusion that they could be real adventurers, marching into a savage and brutal world. The sad truth is, NO. They would find absolute failure, terror, and death. That is why even within the fantasy world, real adventurers would drop-kick these weak losers to the curb before they ever left the tavern, after having a smoke.

This is conflating players and characters here.

Overwhelmingly, both woke and non-woke players have no delusions that they could be real adventurers. It's a fucking game and they're sitting at the table rolling dice.

The people with the delusions are the ones who think that there is any measure of real-world toughness in a fantasy game.

Greetings!

*Laughing* It is these Woke morons sobbing about how *THEY* need to be represented in the fantasy game world. Thus, the weak, Male Feminist Metrosexual, the fat, black lesbian, the pathetic, intellectual cripple in a wheelchair--they have all insisted that they be represented in the game world. You see this all over the modules, the art, and so on.

So, having them represented in the game world, is a laughable joke, and utterly silly.

Beyond that, my overarching point is that such crying about black and brown people and cripples in wheelchairs need to be in the game--as in actual characters, not just *PLAYERS*--is absolutely moronic when stacked up against the assumed dynamics of a typical fantasy world filled with monsters and many different crazy races.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

I've considered adding a country of woke people to my fantasy world. My players would have a blast fighting them, rallying an army to conquer them, and so on. A country of 1 HP people might be too easy to conquer. But I'm afraid we'd all get laughing too hard to continue.

Quote from: Jason Coplen on January 12, 2025, 09:48:30 AMI've considered adding a country of woke people to my fantasy world. My players would have a blast fighting them, rallying an army to conquer them, and so on. A country of 1 HP people might be too easy to conquer. But I'm afraid we'd all get laughing too hard to continue.

Just release a bunch of house cats and watch them kill everyone.