Quote from: sureshot;1056925While I agree with you they should not have been put in a cell. They should have made sure all their paperwork was in order. Which you and some other refuse to acknowledge. Then again not surprised. How dare we ask that people act responsibly.

I don't refuse to acknowledge that they should've done the paperwork right. Yes, and this IS what can happen when border security finds something wrong. I never made any attempt to deny that.

I just also think that when looked at from the point of view of someone with the authority to change the policy, this is a couple of game artists coming for a meeting which has no material impact on anything, and in fact they're contributing by getting lodging & food & whatever. Assuming it's an honest mistake and has no negative impact, but it will mess not just with them but will cause a lot of waste and upset all around, including annoying a lot of people and causing bad press, effectively for nothing, then my view is this policy looks very bad and like it should be changed.

The last few times I went to Europe, customs & immigration there was a perceptive-looking person looking at me and my passport for 10-20 seconds, maybe asking a question, and choosing to walk through a very short passage from baggage claim to the street that had "nothing to declare" painted on it. It felt very civilized and welcoming.

Quote from: Omega;1056952Its Skarg. What do you think will happen. Alot of his posts lately have just been these drive-by insults.

Looking at my post history, which posts do you think were drive-by insults?

Quote from: Skarg;1057051I don't refuse to acknowledge that they should've done the paperwork right. Yes, and this IS what can happen when border security finds something wrong. I never made any attempt to deny that.

The last few times I went to Europe, customs & immigration there was a perceptive-looking person looking at me and my passport for 10-20 seconds, maybe asking a question, and choosing to walk through a very short passage from baggage claim to the street that had "nothing to declare" painted on it. It felt very civilized and welcoming.

Shockingly, that's what happens when you have your shit together. Your experience would likely have been different if you had something wrong with your paperwork.

Quote from: Skarg;1057054Looking at my post history, which posts do you think were drive-by insults?

"Chucklefucks".

Libertarians wanted to abolish ICE before it was cool.
Just sayin'.

JG

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1057075Shockingly, that's what happens when you have your shit together. Your experience would likely have been different if you had something wrong with your paperwork.

Yeah - I just went through Chinese immigration (hardly a bastion of freedom) and it was not a big deal. But - I made sure to get my visa in order first.  (Though I did have to check in at the local police station the next day to tell them where I was staying - which was annoying.)

Quote from: Skarg;1057051The last few times I went to Europe, customs & immigration there was a perceptive-looking person looking at me and my passport for 10-20 seconds, maybe asking a question, and choosing to walk through a very short passage from baggage claim to the street that had "nothing to declare" painted on it. It felt very civilized and welcoming.

You can have that experience coming into the United States as well. A lot depends on how you present yourself, and it also depends on the number of problems that typically happen at a particular port.

Quote from: Lynn;1057260You can have that experience coming into the United States as well. A lot depends on how you present yourself, and it also depends on the number of problems that typically happen at a particular port.

Yep, or the opposite experience in Europe, as I did despite having paperwork "in order". The underlying suggestion that the U.S. is Moar Badd than every other country in this regard is just, well, uninformed.

Quote from: Zalman;1057261Yep, or the opposite experience in Europe, as I did despite having paperwork "in order". The underlying suggestion that the U.S. is Moar Badd than every other country in this regard is just, well, uninformed.

It's willful ignorance. The US has to be the worst to futher their worldview.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1057362It's willful ignorance. The US has to be the worst to futher their worldview.

Which is both naive and a scary worldview to take imo. When it's proven that their are factually worse places in the world. Trying being transgendered, gay or a feminist in some of those countries then get back to me.

Quote from: sureshot;1057400Which is both naive and a scary worldview to take imo. When it's proven that their are factually worse places in the world. Trying being transgendered, gay or a feminist in some of those countries then get back to me.

Mandatory placement with a Boko Haram militia would clear up a lot of the confusion in a hurry.  I feel like the Dead Kennedy's had a song that fits this perfectly if a little old fashioned.

Quote from: James Gillen;1057102Libertarians wanted to abolish ICE before it was cool.
Just sayin'.

JG

Yes, but Libertarians also want to abolish the welfare state. And those two things are connected. Really, in an ideal world visiting artists that were doing a job for a gaming company and weren't going to be a massive drain on the state should be able to come and go as they please, but that depends on a situation where you won't end up with huge masses of people migrating to whatever state gives them the best benefits for doing no work.

Quote from: trechriron;1056937I originally read the title as "Three D&D artists retained by ICE" and thought to myself - Iron Crown Enterprises is leveling up RMU!!

I have to admit this made me LOL.

Quote from: RPGPundit;1057711Yes, but Libertarians also want to abolish the welfare state. And those two things are connected. Really, in an ideal world visiting artists that were doing a job for a gaming company and weren't going to be a massive drain on the state should be able to come and go as they please, but that depends on a situation where you won't end up with huge masses of people migrating to whatever state gives them the best benefits for doing no work.

Are you saying that if we had no welfare state, we wouldn't have them damn illegals coming here for our welfare?

jg

If we're gonna wank about welfare states and illegals, can we please move this thread to Pundency?

I'm happy to join in the spank and wank, but this thread isn't really about WotC's screwup anymore.