Quote from: Warboss Squee;1056879Hmm, left the kiddies at home and didn't try to illegally cross the border.

You are a total and complete fucking tard to try and compare the two.

They did try to illegally cross the border, albeit unintentionally. They failed and got sent home.

And you are delusional if you think the White House would have enacted the border restrictions if the kids from CLA had been blond, white, English-speaking picturebooks.

Quote from: Motorskills;1056906They did try to illegally cross the border, albeit unintentionally. They failed and got sent home.

And you are delusional if you think the White House would have enacted the border restrictions if the kids from CLA had been blond, white, English-speaking picturebooks.

While I have more than a few things I disliked about President Obama, it almost sounds like you think he was racist.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1056770I'm still unclear why their white privilege didn't give them an unfair advantage.

They're Canadian.  White privilege cancels out.

jg

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1056907While I have more than a few things I disliked about President Obama, it almost sounds like you think he was racist.

Those cages were kind cages. He cared. Silly man. ;p

Quote from: James Gillen;1056911They're Canadian.  White privilege cancels out.

jg

One was French I believe.

Quote from: sureshot;1056889I would not go by what the poster you quoted said. For one he insisted that this was the worst, most controlling, censorship filled rpg forum on the internet. When someone pointed out the "Fuck ICE" topic thread that was on every page of every topic over at rpg.net for the longest time, he/she/Z or whatever their gender ran off with his tail between his legs because if you think this place is the worst you have no fucking clue. Why don't try the same over at other places like Rpg.net and see how it goes.

Not in the quote I quoted, he didn't:

QuoteThis place has drifted in a decidedly 'angry, authoritarian boot licker' direction over the last year or two. It's like a constant stream of loathing for 'SJW's' and cackling delight every time someone gets thrown in hand cuffs and subjected to brutal deprivation by a person in a uniform.

Zero there about what you wrote.

I agree rpg.net has ridiculously worse censorship and banning which is off the charts. That doesn't make me interested in watching you folks try to troll people here.

Quote from: jeff37923;1056901No, you are wrong. Here you don't get banned for wrong-think, although you may get mocked for being an idiot or an asshole.

I didn't say people got banned for wrong-think here. Several have left (banned or ragequit or just left) after being driven crazy by trolling, however.

Quote from: jeff37923;1056901Although I find it amusing that even the people that were detained by customs wanted the SJW faction of WotC fans to put down their torches and pitchforks over this because it wasn't helping them. Of course, you don't mention or even acknowledge that.

I've no idea or real desire to know what kick you're on that has you think that's a relevant thing to say about ME. It rather makes sense to me. When foreign police have you in a cell for technical VISA violation, you'd be unwise to want people to be starting riots on your behalf.

Quote from: jeff37923;1056901Pot. Kettle. Black.

Right, because I make one post on this thread, after you and the other chucklefucks have made how many?
How often do I chime in on anything political here?
Oh look, someone's pointing out how annoying this is and disagrees with you - better try to gang up on me!
You guys aren't doing your "position" any favors by behaving this way.


For the sake of actually saying something on topic, as Pundit requested:

Ok, so some game artists ran afoul of US customs, apparently when just coming for a meeting and it sounds like saying the wrong things or something. Gee.
The response involved handcuffs (to prevent any paid art being drawn on the way to the cell?) and keeping them in a cell and flying them back...

Not terribly surprising, given how customs is, and the laws and all that. Ya, they technically broke the law accidentally, and being messed with by customs & immigration can be like that.

And, my opinion is that does suck. In my opinion, it's pretty backwards and foolish and uncivilized to treat international visitors that way for a minor and harmless technical violation like that. It makes US customs and immigration look bad even though they're just following their training, and seems quite pointless and awful to me. I do not see an actual good and necessary reason for it, and I think it has far wider negative consequences and near-zero positive ones.

What I get from the in-favor reactions here has come across to me like, "Yeah they broke the law so they should be handcuffed and put in a cell and deported! Maybe it was an evil liberal plot!" - which strikes me as juvenile and ridiculous and just plain incorrect.

While I agree with you they should not have been put in a cell. They should have made sure all their paperwork was in order. Which you and some other refuse to acknowledge. Then again not surprised. How dare we ask that people act responsibly.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1056879Hmm, left the kiddies at home and didn't try to illegally cross the border.

You are a total and complete fucking tard to try and compare the two.

Motorskills is one of the bleeding-butt Libtards who refused to answer if pedos should be included in the ever-so-precious dipshit manifesto of Pathfinder 2, most likely because they have no defense for the indefensible. Instead, they'll take the usual path of either ignoring or spewing even more ignorance.

Quote from: Motorskills;1056826They still have their kids.

You're a moron. If they had kids with them they would've been taken...like every potential criminal has had done until the process is complete. Your ass must be an amazing place to have your head inside of it so often.

Quote from: Skarg;1056924And, my opinion is that does suck. In my opinion, it's pretty backwards and foolish and uncivilized to treat international visitors that way for a minor and harmless technical violation like that. It makes US customs and immigration look bad even though they're just following their training, and seems quite pointless and awful to me. I do not see an actual good and necessary reason for it, and I think it has far wider negative consequences and near-zero positive ones.

Some ports of entry get a bad reputation, and eventually that gets upstairs and someone says something about it. Then they get a bit more polite about it. But it rarely makes any difference. The business isn't going to leave the USA. Nobody is going to get fired.

People make mistakes, but it looks not much different than more serious stuff, like smuggling or more serious purposeful visa violations. If the customs officer believes the person is being dishonest, then they will be searched, processed and likely deported immediately unless there are some obvious circumstances that can be (very) immediately cleared up. They don't have a lot of options for comfort - it is one size fits all.

This really isn't anything new. I started doing a lot of international business travel during the Clinton years (and still do it) and had some colleagues that did the same. On a few occasions, a spouse will visit, say the worst possible thing at the port of entry, and get put on the next plane. For example, mention 'work' when their visa or green card expressly forbids work, or bags  get opened and something is there that should have been declared.  There are any number of things.

Having that kind of problem at a port of entry is really unpleasant, but typically it comes down to someone saying the wrong thing, and then compounding it with multiple, different stories.

I originally read the title as "Three D&D artists retained by ICE" and thought to myself - Iron Crown Enterprises is leveling up RMU!!

Quote from: Lynn;1056932Some ports of entry get a bad reputation, and eventually that gets upstairs and someone says something about it. Then they get a bit more polite about it. But it rarely makes any difference. The business isn't going to leave the USA. Nobody is going to get fired.

People make mistakes, but it looks not much different than more serious stuff, like smuggling or more serious purposeful visa violations. If the customs officer believes the person is being dishonest, then they will be searched, processed and likely deported immediately unless there are some obvious circumstances that can be (very) immediately cleared up. They don't have a lot of options for comfort - it is one size fits all.

This really isn't anything new. I started doing a lot of international business travel during the Clinton years (and still do it) and had some colleagues that did the same. On a few occasions, a spouse will visit, say the worst possible thing at the port of entry, and get put on the next plane. For example, mention 'work' when their visa or green card expressly forbids work, or bags  get opened and something is there that should have been declared.  There are any number of things.

Having that kind of problem at a port of entry is really unpleasant, but typically it comes down to someone saying the wrong thing, and then compounding it with multiple, different stories.

Sureshot, without more information, it's really hard to judge who screwed up here. For all we know it could have been a manager at WOTC, HR at WOTC, the artists, or even the immigration / secondary inspection guy. As someone who will be going through international immigration three times this week, I can confirm that it is really fraught. I posted a plausible (but not necessarily correct) scenario of what could have happened upthread, but Lynn is just as likely to be correct that it was simply an unfortunate choice of words at the immigration desk - in a foreign language - that landed these guys in trouble.


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AC: your temper tantrum and infatuation with sexual assault remind me of someone....hmm. Here's your challenge - print out your posts in thread and post them in your workplace, or your university classroom, or your church hall, wherever. Identify yourself as the author. Make the case that you are a mature adult who can be relied upon to provide serious intellectual argument. Because you are sure as hell not going to engage me with that spurious nonsense.

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Warboss - you were incorrect that the artists didn't attempt to cross the border illegally (at least until they win any appeal they might lodge - unlikely on both counts), just own that. Screwing up border entry doesn't make the artists bad people, nor the people at WOTC, nor the immigration guys. This shit is hard at the best of times and throwing this on Obama is simply mendacious - it was the Trump/Sessions/Miller's enforcement decision - without proper planning or provision, natch - that created havoc and suffering to such an extent that a federal judge ordered swift reunification.

Quote from: Skarg;1056924I've no idea or real desire to know what kick you're on that has you think that's a relevant thing to say about ME. It rather makes sense to me. When foreign police have you in a cell for technical VISA violation, you'd be unwise to want people to be starting riots on your behalf.

Right, because I make one post on this thread, after you and the other chucklefucks have made how many?
How often do I chime in on anything political here?
Oh look, someone's pointing out how annoying this is and disagrees with you - better try to gang up on me!
You guys aren't doing your "position" any favors by behaving this way.

Before you start being a touchy little bitch who can't take it about this, you may want to start off by not calling posters you disagree with "chucklefucks".

Quote from: jeff37923;1056948Before you start being a touchy little bitch who can't take it about this, you may want to start off by not calling posters you disagree with "chucklefucks".

Its Skarg. What do you think will happen. Alot of his posts lately have just been these drive-by insults.

Quote from: trechriron;1056937I originally read the title as "Three D&D artists retained by ICE" and thought to myself - Iron Crown Enterprises is leveling up RMU!!

Don't be ridiculous. This is no place for discussing gaming-related happenings!:p