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Three D&D Artists Detained by ICE

Started by Apparition, August 29, 2018, 03:10:51 PM

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Spinachcat

That is a cool pic. Did the mage fail his fear check or succeed on his paralysis save?

I've worked on projects with outsourced artists in foreign countries. Language issues can get tricky and as estar said, you paint a picture with words, discuss concepts back and forth and don't give final approval until the rough is what you want. With the internet, there's a glut of artists in heavy competition so you can get good prices if you shop around, but more established talent has the right to demand more. Especially talent with a proven track record of high quality work delivered on time. "On Time" alone is worth paying some extra money.

Dirk Remmecke

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1054572Yeah, it's not like theRPGSite had a "Fuck ICE" like pin on ever single fucking page of the forum for weeks...

That would be a bit harsh... MERP and RoleMaster were not that bad.

(Was I really the only one reading the thread title and thinking, "wow, good artists are searched after but that Iron Crown has to abduct them from a competing company and put them behind closed doors"... followed by, "this 5e art that I've seen so far is no match for Angus McBride"... followed by, "does Iron Crown even exist anymore?")
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estar

Quote from: Spinachcat;1054762That is a cool pic. Did the mage fail his fear check or succeed on his paralysis save?

If the player killed the Demon Wolf, the demonic spirit will emerge from the corpse and possess the body of Arbella the apprentice mage that summoned it in the first place (if in the area). It will then shift into it's natural form and emerge. Thus the image in the post :) This encounter is initiated if the PC visits the Golden House, a conclave of mages in the course of investigating the Demon Wolf attacks. Arbella will happen to overhear the conversation, realize that she was more successful in her ritual than she thought and leave to go complete and bind the demon to her. The PC spot her leaving and sooner or later realize that wasn't a good thing. Then gives chase leading to a confrontation at the original summoning site.

RPGPundit

This is partially my fault for not having checked on this thread earlier, but I'm saying it now: this topic is fine as long as it sticks STRICTLY to the topic of this specific incident, and NOT to some kind of larger off-topic debate on immigration or ICE or whatever as a whole.
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Sooo. Nearly 2 weeks later. What happened? Im not seeing any followup on this and as usual its been forgotten as people move on to the next whatever.

Armchair Gamer

Quote from: Dirk Remmecke;1054806"does Iron Crown even exist anymore?")

  The old Iron Crown died in the 90s or early 00s, but there have been a couple of successors since then. The current holders of the rights are producing some HARP and Shadow World material and electronic tools for previous RM versions, but their grand Rolemaster revision seems stuck in Development Purgatory.

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Quote from: Omega;1056310Sooo. Nearly 2 weeks later. What happened? Im not seeing any followup on this and as usual its been forgotten as people move on to the next whatever.

It's not like WoTC actually gives a fuck. They didn't give enough of a fuck to do the proper paperwork in the first place.
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More likely it just did not occur to anyone involved this would happen. It is still a flub. But it is an oddball one.

Could also be that they were just invited in for a technically non-business photo shoot.  But when asked said it was business. Depends on the chain of events really.

I'd bet someone at the WOTC offices got in trouble and WOTC hopefully had to foot the bill for this goof-up.

Motorskills

Quote from: RPGPundit;1056593It's not like WoTC actually gives a fuck. They didn't give enough of a fuck to do the proper paperwork in the first place.

Quote from: Omega;1056604More likely it just did not occur to anyone involved this would happen. It is still a flub. But it is an oddball one.

Could also be that they were just invited in for a technically non-business photo shoot.  But when asked said it was business. Depends on the chain of events really.

I'd bet someone at the WOTC offices got in trouble and WOTC hopefully had to foot the bill for this goof-up.

Exactly so.

Jim in the art department had a cool idea to invite some folks over for a chat about future projects. He wasn't giving them a private booth for a couple of months to generate output, it wasn't a real job, no need to involve HR.

Foreigners get awesome invite from WOTC to hang out and discuss some future projects. They live in ForeignLand, they already have a job. No need for visas.

Until...
"Gosh it's so interesting (profoundly unsurprising) how men with all these opinions about women's differentiation between sexual misconduct, assault and rape reveal themselves to be utterly tone deaf and as a result, systemically part of the problem." - Minnie Driver, December 2017

" Using the phrase "virtue signalling" is \'I\'m a sociopath\' signalling ". J Wright, July 2018

Warboss Squee

I'm still unclear why their white privilege didn't give them an unfair advantage.

Motorskills

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1056770I'm still unclear why their white privilege didn't give them an unfair advantage.

They still have their kids.
"Gosh it's so interesting (profoundly unsurprising) how men with all these opinions about women's differentiation between sexual misconduct, assault and rape reveal themselves to be utterly tone deaf and as a result, systemically part of the problem." - Minnie Driver, December 2017

" Using the phrase "virtue signalling" is \'I\'m a sociopath\' signalling ". J Wright, July 2018

Skarg

#116
Quote from: jeff37923;1054511A little too late for you in that regard, especially since your behavior has proven my point of, "SJW factions having a field day with this".
So you anti-"SJW" chucklefucks are doing the same thing here, but with your backwards orientation, and less banning (except when you successfully troll-bait someone enough to break the site rules).

How about people talk about RPGs, instead.


Quote from: Larsdangly;1054512This place has drifted in a decidedly 'angry, authoritarian boot licker' direction over the last year or two. It's like a constant stream of loathing for 'SJW's' and cackling delight every time someone gets thrown in hand cuffs and subjected to brutal deprivation by a person in a uniform.
Quite.

Warboss Squee

Quote from: Motorskills;1056826They still have their kids.

Hmm, left the kiddies at home and didn't try to illegally cross the border.

You are a total and complete fucking tard to try and compare the two.

Abraxus

#118
Quote from: Skarg;1056861So you anti-"SJW" chucklefucks are doing the same thing here, but with your backwards orientation, and less banning (except when you successfully troll-bait someone enough to break the site rules).
How about people talk about RPGs, instead.

We do talk about rpgs one just has to make a effort and look at the other topics in this section to see that we do. But why ruin and let go to waste a perfectly good blanket generalization of both this site and those who post. One cal also ignore a thread if one is bothered or not interested in it. It's not hard to do and really easy.

Quote from: Skarg;1056861Quite.

I would not go by what the poster you quoted said. For one he insisted that this was the worst, most controlling, censorship filled rpg forum on the internet. When someone pointed out the "Fuck ICE" topic thread that was on every page of every topic over at rpg.net for the longest time, he/she/Z or whatever their gender ran off with his tail between his legs because if you think this place is the worst you have no fucking clue. Why don't try the same over at other places like Rpg.net and see how it goes.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1056879Hmm, left the kiddies at home and didn't try to illegally cross the border.

You are a total and complete fucking tard to try and compare the two.

Agreed and seconded. Not even remotely the same thing imo. Did the artists not bother doing their own research to see if they could legally cross. Unless someone at WOTC gave them the go ahead they also should have made sure. Then again it seems personal responsibility is a thing of the past.

jeff37923

Quote from: Skarg;1056861So you anti-"SJW" chucklefucks are doing the same thing here, but with your backwards orientation, and less banning (except when you successfully troll-bait someone enough to break the site rules).

No, you are wrong. Here you don't get banned for wrong-think, although you may get mocked for being an idiot or an asshole.

Although I find it amusing that even the people that were detained by customs wanted the SJW faction of WotC fans to put down their torches and pitchforks over this because it wasn't helping them. Of course, you don't mention or even acknowledge that.

Quote from: Skarg;1056861How about people talk about RPGs, instead.

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