Quote from: Exploderwizard;578297Heh. A longwinded way of saying their shit doesn't stink.

It's more apt to call it the reason I keep telling people to stop talking to him. Seriously this is what he thinks of people who respond to his impressively bad arguments. It's worse than talking to a wall because he not only responds but he does so in a way that clearly evidences some sort of brain damage and yet thinks himself "high minded" enough to talk down to people with functioning brains. I mean it is actually hard to gauge what is worse. The fact that he consistently proves he does not know what he is talking about, the fact that he refuses to even concede when actual logic he should have learned in high school is thrown at him, or the people who nod their heads and encourage this kind of behavior.

:rotfl::rotfl::rotfl:

Premise#1:  A Magic-User who can use any spell at any time is more powerful than a Fighter.
Premise#2:  A Magic-User cannot use any spell at any time.
Conclusion:  A Magic-User is not more powerful than a Fighter.

Refute away, O Masters of logic.

Quote from: StormBringer;578307Which is entirely expected from, I dunno...  late teens to early 20s?

I'm still in my early 20s myself (until tomorrow).

Quote from: StormBringer;578438Premise#1:  A Magic-User who can use any spell at any time is more powerful than a Fighter.
Premise#2:  A Magic-User cannot use any spell at any time.
Conclusion:  A Magic-User is not more powerful than a Fighter.

Refute away, O Masters of logic.

Check the design and development threads on my homebrew, wherein premises 1 and 2 are incorrect.

Or if this is D&D only, I point to the warlock for about the same reason.

To address what I'm sure you meant, balance depends on the pace of encounters in a per-day system like D&D. Also on whether the party can control the frequency of rests. Old point but still relevant.

Quote from: StormBringer;578438Premise#1:  A Magic-User who can use any spell at any time is more powerful than a Fighter.
Premise#2:  A Magic-User cannot use any spell at any time.
Conclusion:  A Magic-User is not more powerful than a Fighter.

Refute away, O Masters of logic.

Refuted.

Seriously, how hilarious that even when you get to make up the premises, you still argue in fallacies.

Quote from: Kaelik;578444Refuted.

Seriously, how hilarious that even when you get to make up the premises, you still argue in fallacies.

Goodness, and how convenient for you that he phrased it in exactly the usual pattern of that exact fallacy.  It's almost as though he knew he was doing it.

:jaw-dropping:

Quote from: Panzerkraken;578445Goodness, and how convenient for you that he phrased it in exactly the usual pattern of that exact fallacy.  It's almost as though he knew he was doing it.

If you really believe that, then you are an idiot. He thinks demand lowers price, which means he never got to senior year of high school, much less ever learned logic.

Quote from: StormBringer;578438Premise#1:  A Magic-User who can use any spell at any time is more powerful than a Fighter.
Premise#2:  A Magic-User cannot use any spell at any time.
Conclusion:  A Magic-User is not more powerful than a Fighter.

Refute away, O Masters of logic.

Quote from: Kaelik;578444Refuted.

Seriously, how hilarious that even when you get to make up the premises, you still argue in fallacies.

That's a pretty good response.  I was just going to point out that we already have a thread or two to talk about Fighter vs. Wizard stuff, and trying to pollute another thread with this was impolite.  

Quote from: StormBringer;578203It's the entirely solipsistic way every random statement they make is supposed to be an axiom that gets to me.  Like there is no standard of proof or need to provide evidence in support of these statements, but they demand the highest level of evidence from others because they really do think their ideas are a fundamental truth of the (gaming) universe.

You know, this reminded me of another time you were being a dumb ass.  You see, for lots of positions I've taken I've provided evidence.  Direct observation, analysis of game features, samples of others making similar observations - even quotes from the designers themselves.  

What I've noticed is that you tend NOT to refute any evidence and begin resorting immediately to attacks.    

Quote from: StormBringer;558802But here's the thing:  I trust Spike to discuss in good faith.  I Give Spike the benefit of the doubt, because I have not known him to make up shit whole cloth and present it as objective fact.  You, on the other hand, would be well advised to support your assertions with links and evidence until the same can be said of you.

Now, in this quote, you were referring to Spike, but the fact is, you trust yourself, too.  Far too much, really.  Because you're a dumb ass.  

But I think the 'den invasion' if that's what it is has been good for you.  You see, it's encouraged you to step up your game.  You know, use actual reasoning and discussion.  It hasn't worked, but I have hope that it will, eventually.  But I'll quote myself here:

Quote from: deadDMwalking;558804And I don't care if you give me the benefit of the doubt.  If I say something that is true and I don't support it, you can feel free to refute it.  Or not.  And if I feel like it, I will support it.  But a lot of that depends on how relevant it is to the conversation.  Reading medical journals isn't fun for me.  Finding an article in a medical journal and providing you a link to the abstract isn't fun for me.  You seem to think you can dictate that I have to jump through hoops for your benefit.  

I don't.  

I won't jump through hoops for your benefit because it is my considered opinion that you're a dumbass.  I also like telling you that.  Dumbass.  

Maybe the next time you want to get into a discussion and you think people are offering 'axioms', you could ask what observation led them to that belief, and maybe even volunteer what information you would consider acceptable 'proof'.  Because so far, the only 'proof' I've seen you willing to offer is 'NUH-UH!!!'.  

That's why you continue to amuse me.  You're so smug in your perceived superiority, and you don't even realize that almost every time you type something, you come across as a dumb ass.  Having the opportunity to watch you being stupid is the main draw for me on this site.  That and pointing it out to you.  

I was a little sad that One Horse Town closed that one thread before you could respond with Nerd Rage, but I will point out that I have not been pointing out that you're a dumb ass in any thread until you really deserve it - like now.

Quote from: Panzerkraken;578445Goodness, and how convenient for you that he phrased it in exactly the usual pattern of that exact fallacy.  It's almost as though he knew he was doing it.

:jaw-dropping:

So you're saying he's being a dumb ass on purpose?  Almost like he's arguing in bad faith or being disingenuous?

Quote from: deadDMwalking;578450So you're saying he's being a dumb ass on purpose?  Almost like he's arguing in bad faith or being disingenuous?

You're only now realizing this. The balance of trolling and discussion is always zero. Now that Declan is banned all the other grognards are trolling twice as hard.

Quote from: deadDMwalking;578447Having the opportunity to watch you being stupid is the main draw for me on this site.  That and pointing it out to you.  

Maybe you should have another look at your priorities.

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;578451The balance of trolling and discussion is always zero.

QFT.

Quote from: One Horse Town;578453QFT.

When wishing for a troll to be banned someone else must become equally a trollish. That is what it means to post on theRPGsite. I've been such a fool. ;_;

Quote from: Lord Mistborn;578459When wishing for a troll to be banned someone else must become equally a trollish. That what it means to post on theRPGsite. I've been such a fool. ;_;

In my experience a lot of trolls have really bad grammar.

Quote from: One Horse Town;578461In my experience a lot of trolls have really bad grammar.

You have a lot of cred with me from the Declan incident please let's not be like this. I want there to be at least one mod on this site that moderates.