Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 16, 2020, 12:00:06 PM

Quote from: S'mon on October 16, 2020, 09:56:02 AM

  Is it just me, or do the rightmost and third-from-the-right figures look like they come from a completely different game/setting than the rest?

They all look like someone hit the random button in an MMO with a broken character creator. And none of them seem to have a coherent world theme or style other than "Oh, so random" CalArts fugly as fuck nonsense. Only the first two, right to left, look like they belong in the same setting, then the two in the middle belong together in another setting, then everyone else has their own completely different style.

It's an incoherent assault on the visual senses.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 16, 2020, 01:09:30 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on October 16, 2020, 12:26:13 PM
Welp, first of all, these iconic characters for the game all look like drag queens. Most hardcore man-hating lesbians find drag queens more offensive than a mere white cis-gendered guy.

That's because most drag queens are doing it to mock women and legitimately transexual people. It's a hate crime being forced down the throats of the victims. While the abusers use "acceptance" to both shield and allow them to continue their hateful actions.

This is mocking those same women and "legitimately transexual people", you know?

I'd also love to see you draw the line between "legitimately transexual people" and "illegitimately transexual people". What is the difference?

Quote from: jeff37923 on October 16, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
I'd also love to see you draw the line between "legitimately transexual people" and "illegitimately transexual people". What is the difference?

The line I draw is by medical diagnosis.

There is a huge difference between people who have an actual diagnosed illness, and those who are dressing up to mock them. Would you tolerate someone mocking somebody for getting or having cancer? I don't think you would. I don't think any person with an ounce of sanity would.

Why would a cancer patient have to welcome and encourage some idiot who is belittling their misery? It's the same thing. It's forcing people with a legit medical condition to welcome and endure mockery of tmemselves and said condition. Yet it happens every single day in the trans community because of drag queens. They are flat out torturing people who are suffering a life-threatening illness for their own sick and sadistic amusement. While FORCING those people they are victimizing to accept their presence.

Quote from: Omega on October 15, 2020, 11:12:19 AM

Quote from: Mercurius on October 14, 2020, 09:26:15 PM
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

Its not the subject matter. Its the how and the who of its presentation as a SJW trainer. Ditch that and its no more offensive than anything BTRC ever made. EG: Someone somewhere will be offended by something that no one else on earth is offended by. Then demand and/or convince others to be offended too.

The reactions here and elsewhere are a byproduct of having to deal with this sort of stupid over and over and over.

Yeah, I get it. It is annoying. But the response from some is a bit over the top, as if they're being forced into gender re-assignment surgery.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 16, 2020, 02:34:24 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on October 16, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
I'd also love to see you draw the line between "legitimately transexual people" and "illegitimately transexual people". What is the difference?

The line I draw is by medical diagnosis.

There is a huge difference between people who have an actual diagnosed illness, and those who are dressing up to mock them. Would you tolerate someone mocking somebody for getting or having cancer? I don't think you would. I don't think any person with an ounce of sanity would.

Why would a cancer patient have to welcome and encourage some idiot who is belittling their misery? It's the same thing. It's forcing people with a legit medical condition to welcome and endure mockery of tmemselves and said condition. Yet it happens every single day in the trans community because of drag queens. They are flat out torturing people who are suffering a life-threatening illness for their own sick and sadistic amusement..

Wait, what is the "actual diagnosed illness?" Transexualism is not an illness.

Quote from: SHARK on October 16, 2020, 10:35:00 AM
Greetings!

Indeed. They are all gay and Trans men, a few weird gender-fluid, polyamorous women, and in general, rainbow freaks.

They are all So fabulous!

These people are the tip of the spear of much of the insane Marxism and "Intersectionality" BS that are invading our society and hobby and seeking to transform and change everything through the "glorious revolution".

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

This borders on Trumpist xenophobia.

First of all, these folks are part of our society - they aren't invading. And in this case, they are gamers. Do you have an issue with them making games that they want to play?

Secondly, it is one thing to erase RPG history by making Oriental Adventures unavailable or drastically altering canonical lore. In my mind, that is the type of "wokism" that is deleterious to the hobby. But lesbians producing a lesbian RPG? Who cares? You don't have to play it.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 16, 2020, 02:34:24 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on October 16, 2020, 02:11:44 PM
I'd also love to see you draw the line between "legitimately transexual people" and "illegitimately transexual people". What is the difference?

The line I draw is by medical diagnosis.

There is a huge difference between people who have an actual diagnosed illness, and those who are dressing up to mock them. Would you tolerate someone mocking somebody for getting or having cancer? I don't think you would. I don't think any person with an ounce of sanity would.

Why would a cancer patient have to welcome and encourage some idiot who is belittling their misery? It's the same thing. It's forcing people with a legit medical condition to welcome and endure mockery of tmemselves and said condition. Yet it happens every single day in the trans community because of drag queens. They are flat out torturing people who are suffering a life-threatening illness for their own sick and sadistic amusement. While FORCING those people they are victimizing to accept their presence.

Drag Queens have nothing to do with mocking trans people. Not even everyone in the SJW nut job community believes that, and a subset of them are the few people that do. Its just an artistic form of self expression involving the subversion of gender roles and stuff like that.

Quote from: Mercurius on October 16, 2020, 02:39:26 PM
Wait, what is the "actual diagnosed illness?" Transexualism is not an illness.

Gender Dysphoria.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 16, 2020, 02:47:54 PM

Quote from: Mercurius on October 16, 2020, 02:39:26 PM
Wait, what is the "actual diagnosed illness?" Transexualism is not an illness.

Gender Dysphoria.

It is no longer considered an illness, at least by most Western psychiatric and medical organizations.

Quote from: VisionStorm on October 16, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
Drag Queens have nothing to do with mocking trans people. Not even everyone in the SJW nut job community believes that, and a subset of them are the few people that do. Its just an artistic form of self expression involving the subversion of gender roles and stuff like that.

My life experience trumps your denial.

My "father" was a drag queen who stole my mom's clothes to sneak out at night when I was a young child to get his jollies. He did so out of hate and jealousy toward my mother. And would scoff at and mock anyone transsexual. He was and still is evil incarnate.

He was getting his kicks one moment, torturing and abusing a sick child the next moment, and raping my mother at the next. So you better believe, I know the face of hate.

I suffered 48 years of PTSD because of that monster. Nonstop fear. And that's no way for anyone to live. 48 years of being trapped in the moment of a small young child frozen in terror, while the monster that is the cause looms over them.

I didn't have a father. My boogeyman was very real.

Quote from: Mercurius on October 16, 2020, 02:56:15 PM
It is no longer considered an illness, at least by most Western psychiatric and medical organizations.

That is straight up untrue. You are going to need to produce evidence of that claim.

I guess this project begs one question : Why is it necessary?
Can't anyone just homebrew any setting? I remember playing D&D with gay guys, lesbians and really anyone who wanted to play back in the late 80s/early 90s. Nobody had to tell us how to play, sexuality was not emphasized and the rules were approached as a set of general guidelines to build upon.

I'm starting to wonder if many of the people getting into roleplaying are getting into something really not form them. There is no room for dictators who tell other groups how to play. Just encourage people to play and have fun. If you feel a compulsion to dictate and meddle in the fun of others maybe roleplaying is not the right hobby.

Quote from: bat on October 16, 2020, 03:09:00 PM
I guess this project begs one question : Why is it necessary?
Can't anyone just homebrew any setting? I remember playing D&D with gay guys, lesbians and really anyone who wanted to play back in the late 80s/early 90s. Nobody had to tell us how to play, sexuality was not emphasized and the rules were approached as a set of general guidelines to build upon.

I'm starting to wonder if many of the people getting into roleplaying are getting into something really not form them. There is no room for dictators who tell other groups how to play. Just encourage people to play and have fun. If you feel a compulsion to dictate and meddle in the fun of others maybe roleplaying is not the right hobby.

If someone wants to make it and it is being supported through funding, then obviously there is demand for it - even if on a small scale. I don't see them dictating to anyone that they have to play this.

Quote from: bat on October 16, 2020, 03:09:00 PM
I guess this project begs one question : Why is it necessary?
Can't anyone just homebrew any setting? I remember playing D&D with gay guys, lesbians and really anyone who wanted to play back in the late 80s/early 90s. Nobody had to tell us how to play, sexuality was not emphasized and the rules were approached as a set of general guidelines to build upon.

I'm starting to wonder if many of the people getting into roleplaying are getting into something really not form them. There is no room for dictators who tell other groups how to play. Just encourage people to play and have fun. If you feel a compulsion to dictate and meddle in the fun of others maybe roleplaying is not the right hobby.

I don't think it is necessary. I think it's just an attention grabbing stunt done in very poor taste. The fact we are even talking about it gives it more attention than it truly deserves.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 16, 2020, 03:01:06 PM

Quote from: VisionStorm on October 16, 2020, 02:45:48 PM
Drag Queens have nothing to do with mocking trans people. Not even everyone in the SJW nut job community believes that, and a subset of them are the few people that do. Its just an artistic form of self expression involving the subversion of gender roles and stuff like that.

My life experience trumps your denial.

My "father" was a drag queen who stole my mom's clothes to sneak out at night when I was a young child to get his jollies. He did so out of hate and jealousy toward my mother. And would scoff at and mock anyone transsexual. He was and still is evil incarnate.

He was getting his kicks one moment, torturing and abusing a sick child the next moment, and raping my mother at the next. So you better believe, I know the face of hate.

I suffered 48 years of PTSD because of that monster. Nonstop fear. And that's no way for anyone to live.

Your edge-case anecdotal experience and personal tragedies do not define reality for the rest of the world that exists outside of them. Just because your father was an asshole that happened to do drag work for specific reasons and hated transpeople that does not mean that therefore all drag queens in general are transphobes doing it because they hate their wives and do drag work specifically to mock transpeople.

PS: Also Gender Dysphoria really isn't considered an mental illness anymore by many western medical and psychiatric organizations, but it is a contentious subject, and IMO strictly for political reasons given that GD is a debilitating mental condition and transitioning is the treatment prescribed to treat that condition, which by definition, is what a mental illness is. Otherwise what's the treatment for?

But, anyways this is getting way off-topic and has nothing to do with the actual RPG being discussed.