Quote from: Shasarak on October 14, 2020, 11:10:52 PM

Oh, yeah baby. 

Thirsty Sword Lesbians in chain mail bikinis, I am sure Venger has an RPG for that.

I honestly thought it's a new release bei Venger. 

Quote from: Warder on October 14, 2020, 05:29:43 PM
Yeah, i know, another SJW rpg production, news at eleven. Apparently its PBTA ''queer swashbuckling''. And its by Evil Hat, by golly what a combo.

All you had to say was Evil Hat.

Let the "underrepresented voices" say what they have to say, or yell what they have to yell. When the market oversaturates with token LGBTetc products, they will either die out or the creators will be forced through competition to make good products by virtue of being good games (instead of being a statement or whatever).

It's worthwhile to note the SJW freakshow crowd ponied up $60k so far.

Clearly there's a paying audience, though it might be an already existing Twitter audience that's been cultivated by Hicks, the artist and the author.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:36:49 AMWhy is this an issue for you all?

Because of this part:

"This game is not for fascists, TERFs, or other bigots. The team behind Thirsty Sword Lesbians supports racial liberation, intersectional feminism, and queer liberation. We love and respect transgender people, nonbinary people, intersex people, and women. This game is a joyous celebration of lives and identities otherwise marginalized. If you don't agree, fix your heart before sharing a table with other people."

Anyone is free to make anything they like. Want to make the Pygmy RPG and only sell it to pygmies? Sure, go for it. But when the publisher promotes their game by shitting on potential customers???

It's not even a game that welcomes all women or all lesbians. Muff diving and flannel ain't enough credentials for the Evil Asshat crew. Any conservative lesbians and lesbians who a pro-women (instead of cheering dudes with boobs) aren't welcome.

Do we really want identity politics championed in the hobby?

And before you make any bitch noise about this "bothering me", I've given up on the hobby as something that brings people together. Nope, everyone to your tribe and only your tribe sits at your table.

As I've said before, all I need for my "RPG hobby" to exist 3-5 nightmarish deplorables who want to play twice a month. Considering my gaming crew blew off CoronaChan and kept tossing dice, I'm pretty sure "fascists, TERFs and other bigots" will be pretty easy to recruit into the future.

Quote from: Spinachcat on October 15, 2020, 04:38:25 AM
This game is not for fascists

I don't even know they know what this statement means anymore.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 03:02:54 AM
You have perceived harm based on your entitlement that all games need to cater to your desires.

Thanks for that, I needed to be told what I'm thinking.

Quote from: Mercurius on October 14, 2020, 09:26:15 PM
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

All my lesbian players have been hot, so I wouldn't know.  Their PCs tend to be competent, fit women in possibly more practical armour than favoured by some straight female players.

But I'm guessing that even fat miserable incompetent lesbians don't want to play fat miserable incompetent PCs.

Surely it's a joke, right?

Venger's version of this would be far superior.

On a serious note, I don't really give a fuck what people want to play or produce. You want to make a game that caters to niche market A? By all means go for it. My problem is that the kind of people who write and play this shit are cancel happy fuck heads itching to fetch the pitchforks for anyone to the right Neo-liberal figure head of the week. Thus on principle I oppose this work.

Quote from: Mercurius on October 14, 2020, 09:26:15 PM
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

All I'm saying is that fat lesbians have always been able to roll dice and make fat lesbian characters in every RPG ever created (except maybe ones where all PCs are robots or something), and anyone who pretends or implies otherwise is gonna get criticism and mockery from me.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 03:02:54 AM

Quote from: ponta1010 on October 15, 2020, 02:51:43 AM

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 02:36:49 AM
If people want to buy this game and enjoy playing it then good for them. There are a lot of games that I don't like for whatever reason, I don't play them. Simple as that.

Let other people who are not like you have fun playing the games they enjoy the way they enjoy them.

Why is this an issue for you all?

Quote from: Mercurius on October 14, 2020, 09:26:15 PM
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

Happy to amuse you. 

On a more serious note, for me personally, if the LBGTQI+ lobby want to support a game and have fun that's fine.
No they're not forcing me to play the game......          yet.

Some recent kickstarter's have become rather blatant with certain statements, that phrased in a similar way but opposite way would be considered highly offensive to the LBGTQI lobby. I await a kickstarter that contains the statement 'No queers should play this game!', and survives unchanged to the end of its funding.

One LBGTQI aligned kickstarter had to alter its page after it was flagged as problematic to kickstarter for voicing similar sentiments to this one (can't remember its name, but I know that if I do some digging I could find it). About a month later this one comes along with similar sentiments. I await to see whether this is similarly modified.

You have perceived harm based on your entitlement that all games need to cater to your desires.

Who really cares if an LGBT-pro game designer states that they want to make a game for LGBT aligned players?

The people who find that interesting and encouraging do. They deserve to be catered to and to enjoy games that are authored to support their interests.

Everyone else may not care... and that is fine. They are promoting their game to a specific market of people that they care about and want to provide a game experience for.

Why in the wildest f*ck would you care if you were not committed to that? Like what is the harm you experience that this game exists? I honestly don't get it.

Is it more than you just don't like it? Is there some real harm inflicted upon you by this game's existence?

Nobody cares that this game exists, they care that its marketing makes loaded, adversarial statements and pushes a political ideology and agenda. And this game isn't meant to cater to the LGBT crowd, it's meant to cater to people who subscribe to a specific political ideology, and anyone who doesn't subscribe to that ideology is a "fascist" who needs to "fix [their] heart before sharing a table with other people".

Is there real harm inflicted upon them (or you) by people complaining about or criticizing this game's existence, or the adversarial political message it seeks to push? Or are people not allowed to complain about or criticize people calling them "fascists"?

Lulz. I think /tg/ did this already with Car Lesbians.

Quote from: fixable on October 15, 2020, 03:02:54 AMWhy in the wildest f*ck would you care if you were not committed to that?

Because it exposes the ludicrous double standard not only the RPG industry but also in Kickstarter. That certain privileged identities can produce game which specifically exclude other people whereas other groups of people cannot.

It's not the game existence. If other players want to run and play it more power to them. I don't need game designers especially woke ones lie Evil Hat and Fred Hicks writing a manifesto that essential guilt trips players into feeling poorly if they don't like the rpg or feel the same way they do. Sell your product and leave your damn politics at home or in the gaming office. Then again this is the same company that called Lovecraft an evil racist yet used the world he built to sell a product. Fred Hicks calls money the root of all evil yet in the same sentence makes sure to tell fans to keep sending them money.

While we are it no one gets to tell me or anyone else hear what we can or can't talk about. If we want to call out the game designers for being woke and their own sheer hypocrisy it's NO ONE business to be telling me or anyone else we can't criticize it. If someone enjoys the rpg more power to them. Just like we are allowed to talk about the rpg. Sorry this site ain't like other rpg forums where the majority follow the echo chamber

Quote from: theOutlander on October 15, 2020, 04:51:33 AM
I don't even know they know what this statement means anymore.

It shows to me proof positive that anyone who says something like this has no clue what actually Fascists really are. Essentially a Fascist is anyone and everyone who disagrees with them.

Quote from: Mercurius on October 14, 2020, 09:26:15 PM
It is kind of funny how offended some of you guys get.

I mean, fat lesbians just want to have fun and roll dice, too. It isn't like they're forcing you to play this game.

Who's offended..? Mildly amused at this stupidity, that's about it.