Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 18, 2020, 08:13:36 PM

Quote from: moonsweeper on October 18, 2020, 07:59:39 PM
There is no such thing as an unacceptable play style. 

There are only play styles that do not fit with certain groups and are unacceptable in that particular group.  If that is the case then it is time for the player to move on to a new group that does accept their play style.

I completely disagree with you.

Min-maxers make the game all about themselves. They force the rest of the group they are in to conform of their play style. Whether the rest of the group wants to or not. They force the GM to change the balance of the game to account for their min-maxing. The min-maxers are the ones taking the choices away from the rest of the group, and claiming their play style is superior. And will usually brook no other point of view to exist. They bully the rest of their group to get their way.

I've been in so many campaigns in my life where the min-maxers and powergamers hijacked the campaign and completely derailed it. Not because the GM lacked ideas or stories. But because the min-maxers made themselves so much of a problem, that the other aspects of the game got completely bulldozed in the process.

So for me, I drew a line in the sand. I won't tolerate their bullshit anymore.

Nah, the worst are the role players.  They force everyone at the table to conform to their play style.  Whether the rest of the group wants to play out an hour of shopping or an hour of talking with the tavernkeeper or not, the role player just wants to make the game all about them.  And the GM has to change the game to accommodate their narcissism, even when the GM and rest of the players want the game to be fast-paced and action-packed.  The role players are the ones taking the choices away from the rest of the group, and claiming their play style is superior. And will usually brook no other point of view to exist. They bully the rest of their group to get their way.

I've been in so many campaigns in my life where the role-players and story-gamers hijacked the campaign and completely derailed it. Not because the GM lacked action or good pacing. But because the roleplayers made themselves so much of a problem, with their endless prattling and emoting, that the other aspects of the game got completely bulldozed in the process.

Of course, the above is just as stupid and subjective as your post.  But I'm at least self-aware enough to recognize that my preferences are just that, preferences.  Hence the tongue-in-cheek...

Came for pictures of Thirsty Sword Lesbians and stayed for the discussion on who is the worst RPGer.

10 out of 10 thread. Would recommend!

Well give them something to drink already! 

Quote from: VisionStorm on October 18, 2020, 02:55:55 PM

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:11:20 AMIts not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

No, it's about identity politics. The Kickstarter itself says it's about identity politics. It mentions racial liberation, queer liberation and Intersectional Feminism.

That.

Is.

Identity.

Politics.

The entire point of Intersectional Feminism is identity politics. It's about the intersection of all identity groups. That IS identity politics.

"FaScIsT" are just a red herring.

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:31:07 AMWell the first step to determining who is fascist is looking at the actions taken.

I agree.

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:11:20 AMIf you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here.

Get the fuck out of our hobby.

You Fascist.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with racial liberation, queer liberation, and intersectional feminism. Execpt that you don't like it.

Fine, I'll concede that if fascists want to play D&D they can play D&D. Just they got to understand that they can play in their own basements and they got to bring their own swastikas and confederate flags.

Quote from: Shasarak on October 18, 2020, 04:29:24 PM

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:31:07 AM
Well the first step to determining who is fascist is looking at the actions taken.

Aggressiveness towards an RPG just because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is a pretty obvious clue.

Another clue is seeing which posters are actively trying to exclude people from playing RPGs.

Exactly. As you quoted... aggressiveness towards an rpg because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is actively trying to exclude people from playing RPGs. Thank you for agreeing with my point! 

Quote from: areallifetrex on October 18, 2020, 05:15:51 PM

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:11:20 AM
Its not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

Do you know how I know you're lying? Your definition of fascist is "racist, misogynist, transphobe, etc." Those are all idpol issues, even if you think the right position on them is obvious. What is so evil about fascist economy policy? Plenty, but that's not what you're talking about.

I don't know what you mean by idpol issues. I think you are making a term up. Care to define? Either way you are deflecting.

And yes fascisim is exactly that. Fascist behavior is synomonous with racism, misogyny, and transphobia. Look at the actions of Nazi Germany, look at how Russia treats those who are homosexual. I mean are you defending fascism?

And if you have to ask what is wrong with fascist economy policy then, literally what the f are you talking about?

Quote from: areallifetrex on October 18, 2020, 06:49:42 PM

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 18, 2020, 05:32:37 PM
Notice that I didn't mention politics here. I view that as an aspect of real life people game to escape. So it's not welcome at the game table at all to me.

I've gamed with a lot of people who had a lot of different political beliefs. But it was universally accepted that some things are just best left away from the game table. So people could enjoy themselves. So people could escape.

The problem is you can't make that argument with people who believe everything is political.

Well yes of course. That means stop deriding other people's game experiences/needs.

I mean the only reason this thread exists is because someone saw an rpg game designed for LGBTQ needs and derided it. I mean how much more hypocritical can you get?

Why on heaven's green earth do you care if a game is advertised as anti-fascist or anti-bigot. If you aren't either of such then good for them. If you are, then just go about whatever it is your kind do on a daily basis. Why are you letting it bother you?

Why the hell do you care about this? Are you so easily offended? Let people enjoy games that make them feel comfortable and safe.

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:11:20 AMIts not about identity politics. It is about facists have ZERO place in our society.

Woke garbage only has a "society" as long as we "fascists" allow you to exist.

Quote from: fixable on October 18, 2020, 04:11:20 AMIf you are a fascist, then get the f*ck out of our hobby. You don't belong here. I'll show you the door.

Sorry bitch, you control nothing.

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 02:00:34 AMAggressiveness towards an RPG just because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is a pretty obvious clue.

THIS is my favorite part about SJWs. An absolute and utter ignorance of anything involving actual homosexuals and an overwhelming demand they collapse themselves into a well-behaved hivemind. Get out of the closet and obediently fall into the line!

So...a game about LESBIANS caters to "LGBTQ ideas."

Remember kids, once you're thrown into the alphabet soup, you're nothing but a cog in the ideology...an ideology mostly pushed by people absolutely nobody wants to fuck.

Yup, all the gay men I know can't wait to play lesbians. LOL. But considering the level of unleashed vitriol I've seen when gay guys play female PCs, there's something truly spectacular imagining a table of gay guys playing this trainwreck of a game.

THAT is something I want see on YouTube.

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 02:00:34 AM
Exactly. As you quoted... aggressiveness towards an rpg because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is actively trying to exclude people from playing RPGs. Thank you for agreeing with my point! 

Of course I agree with your point!  Any reasonable right thinking person would immediately kick that person who is trying to exclude people from the RPG hobby out of the RPG hobby.

It is for the greater good that we must do it.

The greater good.

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 01:59:04 AM
Fine, I'll concede that if fascists want to play D&D they can play D&D. Just they got to understand that they can play in their own basements and they got to bring their own swastikas and confederate flags.

  Organized Play events, of course, will require players to burn a flag and trample a crucifix before play starts. Participation in the post-game orgy will be optional, despite demands from many to make it mandatory.

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 02:12:40 AMLet people enjoy games that make them feel comfortable and safe.

Literal fucking LOL at this crap. Jesus Christ you people truly are insane.

Quote from: Brad on October 19, 2020, 09:32:49 AM
Literal fucking LOL at this crap. Jesus Christ you people truly are insane.

I am starting to think so as well.

No one here has said anything about preventing anyone from playing any rpg they want especially because of their sexuality. Yet for the SJWs like Fixable ignore as it does not fit their carefully constructed personal narratives.

We are mocking evil hat and rightfully so imo for essentially feeling the need to add an Woke SJW manifesto to one of their products. Yet somehow because you and I are not drinking the Kool-Aid we are (insert word)ists for having a difference of opinion.

This thread is hysterical.

FASCISM!

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 01:59:04 AM
There is absolutely nothing wrong with racial liberation, queer liberation, and intersectional feminism. Execpt that you don't like it.

Where did anyone here say that we don't like it. Citation needed please. And no not your standard bullshit "if you don't agree with me your a Fascist" line of crap. All we are doing is mocking an rpg company for feeling the need to add some Woke SJW manifesto to their rpg. No one here expect in your mind has said they are not welcome to the hobby.

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 02:00:34 AM
Exactly. As you quoted... aggressiveness towards an rpg because it caters to LGBTQ ideals is actively trying to exclude people from playing RPGs. Thank you for agreeing with my point! 

Yeah....no only perhaps in your rotted SJW frame of mind. No one here has said anything to that effect. Again citation needed and it's on you to prove us wrong.

Quote from: fixable on October 19, 2020, 02:12:40 AM
Why the hell do you care about this? Are you so easily offended? Let people enjoy games that make them feel comfortable and safe.

Why do hell do you care that we don't agree with you. So we can't have a difference of opinion. Or if we do it must be one acceptable to you. Again no one here has said anything about anyone not playing an rpg.

It's like you have no valid counterpoint and come across as an insane shit gibbon tossing shit all over the place.

Quote from: tenbones on October 19, 2020, 09:56:44 AM
This thread is hysterical.

FASCISM!

We are mocking Evil Hat for their Woke SJW manifesto and that equals to excluding people from the hobby. It's like watching the mentally ill trying to formulate so kind of coherent argument and failing miserably. No one here has talked about excluding anyone yet Fixable sees something that is not there.