Quote from: David Johansen on April 24, 2021, 12:36:09 PM
GURPS Vehicles is to GURPS as Squats used to be to Warhammer 40000.  It's not happening. 

Silence heretic!!

The Squats will ONE DAY return to save the Imperium!!

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 23, 2021, 06:51:06 PMAll I have seen from the success of current D&D only benefits current D&D. There is no spillover to others in the industry.

The new 5e players are not gamers. They are 5e players.

The reticence I've seen with these young 5e players to try any different RPGs has been surprising considering how the boardgame community has become ADHD with an over-worship of whatever the newest "hot" boardgame release might be.

Unsure how that changes. I wonder how much actual play occurs for those RPGs which have adopted 5e as their core engine.

Quote from: David Johansen on May 22, 2022, 08:34:15 PM
No, I mostly just mention it because I wouldn't want some poor new poster to ask the question there.

To be honest too bad for the SJG Devs. It's not on the members of the forum to worry about hurting the feelings of said devs. Again it's on SHG to to release the book or shut the hell up. It's almost two decades late so I'm not concerned about their feelings at this point. If they cannot or will not deal with that find another line of work.

Quote from: Spinachcat on May 22, 2022, 09:54:31 PM

Quote from: jeff37923 on April 23, 2021, 06:51:06 PMAll I have seen from the success of current D&D only benefits current D&D. There is no spillover to others in the industry.

The new 5e players are not gamers. They are 5e players.

The reticence I've seen with these young 5e players to try any different RPGs has been surprising considering how the boardgame community has become ADHD with an over-worship of whatever the newest "hot" boardgame release might be.

Unsure how that changes. I wonder how much actual play occurs for those RPGs which have adopted 5e as their core engine.

It's nothing new.

D&D has been the go to rpg for many gamers over the decades. From 1E to 5E. It's not something unique with 5E where those who play it are reluctant to try other RPGs. I was one of them myself until I decided to try something else. I was only D&D until I saw the ad for Robotech in a comic way back in the 1980s.

To claim otherwise is engaging in revisionist rpg gaming history in its purist form. 

Quote from: Spinachcat on May 22, 2022, 09:50:01 PM

Quote from: David Johansen on April 24, 2021, 12:36:09 PM
GURPS Vehicles is to GURPS as Squats used to be to Warhammer 40000.  It's not happening. 

Silence heretic!!

The Squats will ONE DAY return to save the Imperium!!

I'm guessing you were being ironic, but just in case...

So, we're going to get a renamed GURPS Vehicles that's modernized?  I'd be okay with that.

I doubt it; the recent sets of specific vehicles seem to be as close as we will get for the foreseeable future.

I seem to recall adaptions of the Space Ship Design rules to wider contexts to help cover some of this?

If you dig up the right two or three Pyramid articles.  Better than nothing I suppose, but they're really inadequate, especially when it comes to armoured fighting vehiclesn as the damage resistance comes out too low.

Apparently in their report to shareholders for 2021 Gurps was not financially viable as they hoped.

Then again when a company caters only to thee hsrdcore fan base and rely on Muchkin to bring in the money it's to be expected.

Like it or not, kicking and screaming imo the RPGs fan base is not interested as they were in that level of complexity.

As ever, I will point out that GURPS doesn't have to be that complex and while SJG has attempted a number of GURPS Lite based games based on licensed IP none of them have done very well.

To this day I will argue that a generic fantasy supplement for GURPS Lite would do more to promote GURPS than any of their prior efforts.  There are a couple good fan ones but it'd need to be on the SJG site and promoted.  YES promoted, shocking, I know.

Quote from: Abraxus on May 23, 2022, 11:03:06 AM
Apparently in their report to shareholders for 2021 Gurps was not financially viable as they hoped.

Then again when a company caters only to thee hsrdcore fan base and rely on Muchkin to bring in the money it's to be expected.

Like it or not, kicking and screaming imo the RPGs fan base is not interested as they were in that level of complexity.

I just read their latest stakeholder's report:
https://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/
It does feel more negative than previous years, but they're not particularly dumping on GURPS. In fact, it's their third priority after Munchkin and Car Wars, and they're celebrating how many titles they have available in POD (100+).

Of course exactly one GURPS title falls in their top 20 best sellers, and that title barely made it (the 2 Basic Set books are #20 and #21). But that's how it's been for a long time -- 2020 had them at #17 and #32, and 2019 had them at #22 and (not in the top 40).

They definitely haven't managed to capitalize on the surge of interest in RPGs lately, and on that I agree with your reasoning. They're focused on a niche that appeals to their long term fanbase but doesn't have much broader appeal.

I don't know where it stands on the spectrum of commercial success, but I was quite pleased with SJG when they made a Girl Genius game that was stand alone and GURPs powered.

http://www.sjgames.com/gurps/books/girlgenius/

Quote from: Pat on May 23, 2022, 02:59:34 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on May 23, 2022, 11:03:06 AM
Apparently in their report to shareholders for 2021 Gurps was not financially viable as they hoped.

Then again when a company caters only to thee hsrdcore fan base and rely on Muchkin to bring in the money it's to be expected.

Like it or not, kicking and screaming imo the RPGs fan base is not interested as they were in that level of complexity.

I just read their latest stakeholder's report:
https://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/
It does feel more negative than previous years, but they're not particularly dumping on GURPS. In fact, it's their third priority after Munchkin and Car Wars, and they're celebrating how many titles they have available in POD (100+).

Of course exactly one GURPS title falls in their top 20 best sellers, and that title barely made it (the 2 Basic Set books are #20 and #21). But that's how it's been for a long time -- 2020 had them at #17 and #32, and 2019 had them at #22 and (not in the top 40).

They definitely haven't managed to capitalize on the surge of interest in RPGs lately, and on that I agree with your reasoning. They're focused on a niche that appeals to their long term fanbase but doesn't have much broader appeal.

I don't hate Gurps it just seems like Hero Games that they only want to cater to a very specific fan base which is almost well and good. Except they aint going to be getting much needed new blood in anytime soon.

While I'm glad the Girl genius RPGs for Gurps was released again another very niche product which appeals to a very small segment.

I'm surprised they never tried getting more popular ips. Then again probably to expensive.

Quote from: Abraxus on May 23, 2022, 05:52:45 PM
I'm surprised they never tried getting more popular ips. Then again probably to expensive.

They got Discworld. If managed correctly, and with a system that suited it, that could be huge.

Quote from: Abraxus on May 23, 2022, 05:52:45 PM

Quote from: Pat on May 23, 2022, 02:59:34 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on May 23, 2022, 11:03:06 AM
Apparently in their report to shareholders for 2021 Gurps was not financially viable as they hoped.

Then again when a company caters only to thee hsrdcore fan base and rely on Muchkin to bring in the money it's to be expected.

Like it or not, kicking and screaming imo the RPGs fan base is not interested as they were in that level of complexity.

I just read their latest stakeholder's report:
https://www.sjgames.com/general/stakeholders/
It does feel more negative than previous years, but they're not particularly dumping on GURPS. In fact, it's their third priority after Munchkin and Car Wars, and they're celebrating how many titles they have available in POD (100+).

Of course exactly one GURPS title falls in their top 20 best sellers, and that title barely made it (the 2 Basic Set books are #20 and #21). But that's how it's been for a long time -- 2020 had them at #17 and #32, and 2019 had them at #22 and (not in the top 40).

They definitely haven't managed to capitalize on the surge of interest in RPGs lately, and on that I agree with your reasoning. They're focused on a niche that appeals to their long term fanbase but doesn't have much broader appeal.

I don't hate Gurps it just seems like Hero Games that they only want to cater to a very specific fan base which is almost well and good. Except they aint going to be getting much needed new blood in anytime soon.

While I'm glad the Girl genius RPGs for Gurps was released again another very niche product which appeals to a very small segment.

I'm surprised they never tried getting more popular ips. Then again probably to expensive.

They had Hellboy at one point, right? It's somewhat popular, but I wouldn't put up with GURPS for it. I do remember a lot of Hellboy-ish stuff being put into a BtVS Cinematic Unisystem game and we liked that just fine.