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There's no Alt-Right" OSR, Just Leftists Calling Everyone Nazis

Started by RPGPundit, May 29, 2018, 02:46:22 AM

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Skarg

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041779Recent? I had been away from this board for like 3 years and I'm not surprised to see it hasn't changed.
I'm not surprised to hear that, but yes, there have been a few threads over the last month or two that were in this forum rather than the Pundit forum, and were/are filled to the gills with ranting anti-"SJW" tirades. If the usual frequency level of anti-"SJW" comments here were rated a level 8, those threads raised it to maybe a 40 for a while, and several people who complained got themselves banned or ragequit, etc.

Christopher Brady

Quote from: Spinachcat;1041860And it was pathetic fucking weak sauce and a lost opportunity to add coolness!

All the morons at WotC needed to do was define "Blessing of Correllon" to be an Elf-only feat where Elves could use Alter Self after each long rest. Boom. Done. Coolness without any politics and FAR BETTER fits Correllon's wildly creative shapechanging nature. And it would cost a feat and be the player's choice, not some weird DM shaming exercise.

Wanna just switch your dick for tits? Great!

Wanna become a totally different humanoid? Great!

Wanna have a PC who changes bodies like others change clothing? Great!

Correllon's Blessing could have granted a form of transhumanism to elves, instead of the weak ass bullshit of virtue signalling.

Thing is, the ability to 'alter self' is the Eberron Changeling's ability.  It's already been done.  Do better WoTC.
"And now, my friends, a Dragon\'s toast!  To life\'s little blessings:  wars, plagues and all forms of evil.  Their presence keeps us alert --- and their absence makes us grateful." -T.A. Barron[/SIZE]

danskmacabre

Alt-right / Nazi accusations are pretty common place now, I've even encountered its usage in RL from time to time.
It's almost completely lost its power to mean anything anymore IMO and if I hear/see it, I assume they're talking crap.

Ratman_tf

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041968Here is the thing about "BUT VIRTUE SIGNALING".

Let's say, that 100%, you are absolutely right about the reason why it is in there. That it has nothing to do with the people writing it wanting to put it in there and everything to do with flag waving.

By getting angry and bitching about it on forums, aren't you literally saying that you care more about scoring points against some political agenda than you do the people that are genuinely uplifted by it existing?

Like, you care more about being able to call out someone you think is being disingenuous (emphasis on you think, because I think people are actually doing it because they think it is the right thing to do, not because they are trying to score ponts) than you do some LGBTQ kid or teen who reads the books and feels better because they don't feel as alienated.

Because compassion has been weaponized.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Chris24601

Quote from: Christopher Brady;1041977Thing is, the ability to 'alter self' is the Eberron Changeling's ability.  It's already been done.  Do better WoTC.
So much this. The most annoying thing about the SJW virtue signalling is that is pushing forward such banal real world things in settings that have literal transhumanism as a basis for whole chunks of their settings. Forget "gender-fluid"... Sci-fi and fantasy have been exploring "species-fluid" and "three-plus gender species" for decades now... and done in a way that gets people to really think about the issues instead of shoving modern day politics into their face (ex. Star Trek at its best with controversial issues of the day masked in the allegory of science fiction).

Limiting things to simply non-binary gender is frankly a step backwards that is more likely to provoke people's base political instincts because that specific thing is currently being used as a club against people, particularly those with deeply held religious convictions, that automatically make them revert to "my side vs. your side" in the ways that say, an actual changeling species that can look like any humanoid creature of any gender at will and the implications that has for self-identity, will not because the more fantastical nature of it allows for it to be allegory and metaphor for those on the cusp without triggering that "us vs. them" political instinct.

Mordred Pendragon

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1041944He is not a particularly bright one is he?

One should not throw stones in glass houses, now.
Sic Semper Tyrannis

Warboss Squee

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1041993One should not throw stones in glass houses, now.

Have you met my friend, kettle?

Kettle, this is pot.

Rhedyn

Quote from: jeff37923;1041972If WotC concentrated on making a better game, the rest would fall into place naturally - just like it has before.
5e is not really fixable at this point and this is probably the best edition these guys are ever going to put out.

Adding a bunch of crunch via new supplements is unlikely to help either.

At this point they can only really try to appease current fans and ward off critics by telling people that disliking this game makes you a bad person.

Krimson

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041971Then why are people so salty when the people at WotC are making the game they want?

The game wasn't made to their personal specifications, so therefore it sucks. :D
"Anyways, I for one never felt like it had a worse \'yiff factor\' than any other system." -- RPGPundit

jeff37923

Quote from: Krimson;1042005The game wasn't made to their personal specifications, so therefore it sucks. :D

I think you are joking, but no other version of D&D was made to my personal expectations either and they were OK. Well, except for D&D 4e which sucked, but that version didn't try and push this SJW agenda either. So it isn't what you jokingly claim.
"Meh."

Krimson

Quote from: jeff37923;1042011I think you are joking, but no other version of D&D was made to my personal expectations either and they were OK. Well, except for D&D 4e which sucked, but that version didn't try and push this SJW agenda either. So it isn't what you jokingly claim.

I'm having trouble believing that a secret cabal sat in a hidden room and laid out plans to make D&D according to some political agenda.
"Anyways, I for one never felt like it had a worse \'yiff factor\' than any other system." -- RPGPundit

Armchair Gamer

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Quote from: Krimson;1042013I'm having trouble believing that a secret cabal sat in a hidden room and laid out plans to make D&D according to some political agenda.

  No, but it is being made by people living in Seattle and largely embracing progressive sentiments.

jeff37923

Quote from: Krimson;1042013I'm having trouble believing that a secret cabal sat in a hidden room and laid out plans to make D&D according to some political agenda.

They are hardly secret and not hidden at all. These people are LOUD and PROUD of furthering their agenda. That is why it is called Virtue Signalling.
"Meh."

Krimson

Quote from: jeff37923;1042020They are hardly secret and not hidden at all. These people are LOUD and PROUD of furthering their agenda. That is why it is called Virtue Signalling.

The great thing about living in a Capitalist society is that you are free to speak the ONLY language that matters. Money. Talk with your wallet, because nothing else in the world matters.
"Anyways, I for one never felt like it had a worse \'yiff factor\' than any other system." -- RPGPundit

Krimson

Quote from: Armchair Gamer;1042018No, but it is being made by people living in Seattle and largely embracing progressive sentiments.

And who's fault was it that led to WoTC buying TSR?
"Anyways, I for one never felt like it had a worse \'yiff factor\' than any other system." -- RPGPundit