Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041926This exactly.

Also Ras, if you are wondering why I'm just rolling my eyes at you, it is because you are clearly not attempting to have a conversation, you are attempting to troll.

Or, you know, your position is weak as hell.

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1041943If such a god existed in D&D today, it would be evil... correct?

Per Mordenkainen's Tome, it's a goddess--Lolth--that goes there, and yes, she's evil.

Ok, so out of curiosity, having the CHOICE to be whatever gender you want to be every day. The choice, meaning if you feel that you are a man, you can be a man every day. If you feel like you are a woman, you can be a woman every day. If you feel like being either, you can pick and choose per day. How would you see the choice as being anything but fitting for a god like Corellan Larethian?

I'm genuinely curious. The ability doesn't make you change at random. You only change when you choose to. To me that sounds exactly like what Corellan is, Chaotic Good. Individual freedom combined with understanding and kindness.

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1041891Do you know many trans people in that case (i.e they definitely want their character to be male or female) ?

It's a genuine question, not trying to be inflammatory here.

I've had two FtM players in my group. Both played male characters, unsurprisingly.

Then again, they identified as male, not trans.

Also, how does Lolth being any other way not fit her fluff. Lolth believes men are lesser. A woman changing to a man would be blasphemy. A man changing to a woman would be trying to become better than his station.

Like, I don't get how people think this doesn't fit the established lore of the two Gods that has existed for a long ass time.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041948Ok, so out of curiosity, having the CHOICE to be whatever gender you want to be every day. The choice, meaning if you feel that you are a man, you can be a man every day. If you feel like you are a woman, you can be a woman every day. If you feel like being either, you can pick and choose per day. How would you see the choice as being anything but fitting for a god like Corellan Larethian?

I'm genuinely curious. The ability doesn't make you change at random. You only change when you choose to. To me that sounds exactly like what Corellan is, Chaotic Good. Individual freedom combined with understanding and kindness.

I was always under the impression that Corellan was just a straight up shapeshifter.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1041949I've had two FtM players in my group. Both played male characters, unsurprisingly.

Then again, they identified as male, not trans.

I've had trans people in my games several time. One tfm player played a mtf character. He thought it was an interesting thing to play. Another played a gender neutral character who dressed differently each day, sometimes feminine, sometimes masculine.

Its all fucking anecdotes. Some do, some don't.

Hell, I'm cis and still played a trans character before. I thought it was interesting.

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1041943If such a god existed in D&D today, it would be evil... correct?

Ras may be hard pressed to formulate an essay but I grudgingly concede sometimes a single statement is pretty darn good.

Quote from: jeff37923;1041939And with one meme, Doc Sammy demonstrates the Thread Title.

Yeah, the thread came full circle. Where's that "everyone who disagrees with me is a Nazi" image...

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1041943If such a god existed in D&D today, it would be evil... correct?

Heh...

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041904Genderfluidity as a blessing of a god that has been genderfluid since 1e isn't a situation where it fits?

Nice goalpost shifting there. But you fail really badly. Try again please.

I looked through the complete book of elves and theres no mention of that elven god being gender fluid or any such blessing. I dont recall it in any published AD&D books either. And no. Dragon doesnt count. But I am pretty sure there was some mention in Dragon and possibly some other book. And more to the point. no one was virtue signalling its presence back then. And sorry. No I was not saying that the latest 5e book is a problem. Please re-read where I note I do not think its a problem.

Anything else you'd like to get wrong?

Here is the thing about "BUT VIRTUE SIGNALING".

Let's say, that 100%, you are absolutely right about the reason why it is in there. That it has nothing to do with the people writing it wanting to put it in there and everything to do with flag waving.

By getting angry and bitching about it on forums, aren't you literally saying that you care more about scoring points against some political agenda than you do the people that are genuinely uplifted by it existing?

Like, you care more about being able to call out someone you think is being disingenuous (emphasis on you think, because I think people are actually doing it because they think it is the right thing to do, not because they are trying to score ponts) than you do some LGBTQ kid or teen who reads the books and feels better because they don't feel as alienated.

Quote from: Omega;1041966I looked through the complete book of elves and theres no mention of that elven god being gender fluid or any such blessing. I dont recall it in any published AD&D books either. And no. Dragon doesnt count.

Deities and Demigods 1980, page 106
"Corellon is alternately male and female, both or neither."

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041968Here is the thing about "BUT VIRTUE SIGNALING".

Let's say, that 100%, you are absolutely right about the reason why it is in there. That it has nothing to do with the people writing it wanting to put it in there and everything to do with flag waving.

By getting angry and bitching about it on forums, aren't you literally saying that you care more about scoring points against some political agenda than you do the people that are genuinely uplifted by it existing?

Like, you care more about being able to call out someone you think is being disingenuous (emphasis on you think, because I think people are actually doing it because they think it is the right thing to do, not because they are trying to score ponts) than you do some LGBTQ kid or teen who reads the books and feels better because they don't feel as alienated.

Going to be honest. I don't like ideologues using established game settings to advance their politics to three tenths of a percent of the US population. You can literally make any game you want.

So be a pioneer. Make the inclusive game you want. Make it good. Be proud of your achievement. And stop deriding the hobby whose shirt tails you cling to.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1041970Going to be honest. I don't like ideologues using established game settings to advance their politics to three tenths of a percent of the US population. You can literally make any game you want.

So be a pioneer. Make the inclusive game you want. Make it good. Be proud of your achievement. And stop deriding the hobby whose shirt tails you cling to.

Then why are people so salty when the people at WotC are making the game they want?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041971Then why are people so salty when the people at WotC are making the game they want?

I'll give you my reason.

Because it does not appear that WotC is concentrating on making a better or more fun game, it appears that they are trying to push an agenda of inclusiveness uber alles and representation above all else. It is especially galling since gamers have been far more open and accepting for decades prior to this current push and we are being called backwards because we have been this accepting without all of the fanfare. If WotC concentrated on making a better game, the rest would fall into place naturally - just like it has before.