I've said it before and I'll say it again:  if there is so much demand for LGBTQ gaming products why aren't more people writing for it?  Could it be that the market isn't big enough to warrant such a thing?  Or is it a case that most LGBTQ are mature adults and recognize that they can add WTF they want to their Fantasy Elf Games?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041658I'm not going to accuse anyone of being Alt-Right, but when people on this board seem to get angry at any inclusion, or mention, of LGBT in D&D as some kind of attack on them, it sure as hell doesn't make it feel like this place is as "inclusive" as they all claim to be.

The fact that people think any mention of someone like me, or like my friend group, or like my son, being mentioned as existing is "SJW bullshit" kind of makes it feel pretty oppressive.

I think that "progressives" can go too far sometimes, but I also think that this forum goes the opposite way so far as to try to find boogiemen to defend their hobby from, and that can create a certain impression.

So far the complaints havent been about depictions in games. The problem is when someone adds us in and then blatantly virtuesignals it for the SJW points. The problem is when its there just for the points or to fill out the checklist. Not because it fits or... just because!

And thats what we have been reduced to. Items on a checklist.

The thing for me is that most of those demanding "representation" wouldn't actually be happy if they got honest proportional representation of their particular desire.

1 in 25 NPCs being LGBT (half of those Bi, less than 1 in 200 Trans) would actually be propotional representation for a modern sexually libertine society with alternatives to one's own children for elder care (3.8 to 4.1% of the US population depending on the study).

Just how many relevant NPCs (those important enough to get an individual description or even a name) are the PCs likely to interact with in a given location? An Innkeeper, a couple shopkeepers/merchants, someone from the temple, someone from law enforcement, an entertainer at the inn and/or other colorful occupant and maybe a patron interested in hiring them? So with those numbers proportional representation would be one LGBT NPC for every three communities the PCs visit (one bi-sexual every six communities, one gay every dozen, one lesbian every dozen and one Trans every 30 or so communities visited).

There are more in the community, but 90% are peasants/serfs just like 90 % of everyone else and aren't going be interacted with unless the PCs go out of their way to do so.

This further presumes that the NPCs sexuality is even relevant to the PCs interaction with them. Its not like being LGBT causes a neon sign to flash above one's head. When the only LGBT NPC in the town is the shopkeeper of the general store the PCs are only visiting to buy some more rope, whether the shopkeeper goes home to his husband at the end of the day isn't likely to even come up before the PCs are off to some new dungeon and other community in proximity to it.

In other words, if we used actual proportional representation it is entirely possible to run an entire level 1-20 campaign without the players even once realizing they encountered a LGBT NPC unless they're deliberately looking for one.

This isn't at all what those pushing for "representation" want in my experience. They don't want representation; they want focus. Popular media caving to this focus is why studies show that the majority of Americans believe 25% or more of the population is LGBT (vs. the 4% it is in reality).

Quote from: Omega;1041900So far the complaints havent been about depictions in games. The problem is when someone adds us in and then blatantly virtuesignals it for the SJW points. The problem is when its there just for the points or to fill out the checklist. Not because it fits or... just because!

And thats what we have been reduced to. Items on a checklist.

Genderfluidity as a blessing of a god that has been genderfluid since 1e isn't a situation where it fits?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041904Genderfluidity as a blessing of a god that has been genderfluid since 1e isn't a situation where it fits?

So, as a blessing, you're ascribing to the notion that genderfliudity is an improvement over being cis-gendered?

:rolleyes:

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041914:rolleyes:

Sorry bro, I am not the one doing the painting.

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1041913So, as a blessing, you're ascribing to the notion that genderfliudity is an improvement over being cis-gendered?

Maybe if your name is Berg Katse.

Quote from: Ras Algethi;1041913So, as a blessing, you're ascribing to the notion that genderfliudity is an improvement over being cis-gendered?

No, some elf god holds that notion and blesses accordingly. Another god might give you the Blessing of Immutable Gender, because that god holds the opposite view about the whole thing. Those gods, man, so much like ourselves it's scary.

Quote from: Gorilla_Zod;1041921No, some elf god holds that notion and blesses accordingly. Another god might give you the Blessing of Immutable Gender, because that god holds the opposite view about the whole thing. Those gods, man, so much like ourselves it's scary.

Hush, you and your "being reasonable and having a sense of proportion."

Quote from: Gorilla_Zod;1041921No, some elf god holds that notion and blesses accordingly. Another god might give you the Blessing of Immutable Gender, because that god holds the opposite view about the whole thing. Those gods, man, so much like ourselves it's scary.

This exactly.

Also Ras, if you are wondering why I'm just rolling my eyes at you, it is because you are clearly not attempting to have a conversation, you are attempting to troll.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1041926This exactly.

Also Ras, if you are wondering why I'm just rolling my eyes at you, it is because you are clearly not attempting to have a conversation, you are attempting to troll.

Get used to it. Nearly all of Ras Algethi's posts can be summed up with the following meme....

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And with one meme, Doc Sammy demonstrates the Thread Title.

Quote from: Gorilla_Zod;1041921No, some elf god holds that notion and blesses accordingly. Another god might give you the Blessing of Immutable Gender, because that god holds the opposite view about the whole thing. Those gods, man, so much like ourselves it's scary.

If such a god existed in D&D today, it would be evil... correct?

Quote from: jeff37923;1041939And with one meme, Doc Sammy demonstrates the Thread Title.

He is not a particularly bright one is he?