And I've seen more than a few threads on RPGnet roughly titled, "Who can I support?" because literally nothing in the industry meets their "moral" standard and recommendations given on that thread are generally ultra rules light games that one person can write, draw, and publish because anything complicated enough to require multiple people exponentially increases the chance that one of those people has an opinion you don't and is therefore "Alt-right"

Quote from: Larsdangly;1041478you didn't have to listen to The Clash in the early 80's.

I think if the extreme left wing ideology stuff was available as a module, nobody would be complaining. The problem is when it infects everything to the core and sees even moderate deviation as 'literally Hitler.' You can see it in the Disneyfication of the 5th edition, particularly in the artwork. It's the artists I feel sorry for. And to be fair, I'm not against making core books more appropriate for younger audiences. But I'd rather they did it by moving the troublesome cases (like the succubus say) to their own more adult rated modules rather than covering them up in the basic set.

On the plus side, all this real world Orwellian nightmare stuff is great for inspiring some truly horrible societies for me to throw my poor players into.

Quote from: mightybrain;1041498You can see it in the Disneyfication of the 5th edition, particularly in the artwork.

No one plays D&D like Gaston!

Quote from: Krimson;1041506No one plays D&D like Gaston!

No one....
Rolls like Gaston,
Plans their builds like Gaston,
Gets the best magic gear in the game like Gaston!

Quote from: mightybrain;1041498I think if the extreme left wing ideology stuff was available as a module, nobody would be complaining. The problem is when it infects everything to the core and sees even moderate deviation as 'literally Hitler.' You can see it in the Disneyfication of the 5th edition, particularly in the artwork. It's the artists I feel sorry for. And to be fair, I'm not against making core books more appropriate for younger audiences. But I'd rather they did it by moving the troublesome cases (like the succubus say) to their own more adult rated modules rather than covering them up in the basic set.

On the plus side, all this real world Orwellian nightmare stuff is great for inspiring some truly horrible societies for me to throw my poor players into.

What's the problem with 5E's art? I'm not picking up on much in the way of a political subtext.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1041514What's the problem with 5E's art? I'm not picking up on much in the way of a political subtext.

The halflings. The halflings are tragic.

Quote from: Krimson;1041506No one plays D&D like Gaston!

I love the bored expression of the guy fist fighting the werewolf.  "Silver?  I don't need no stinking silver!"

Quote from: Lurtch;1041515The halflings. The halflings are tragic.

Indeed.  I'm not sure what they are, but biologically viable, they are not!  The rest of the art is pretty good, mind you.

You guys are confusing the ell out of me. How are you seeing weirdly drawn hobbits as some sort of political attack launched by the hard left? Either this thread has unravelled into a random discussion of whatever, or there is some sort of very 'meta' reading of fantasy game artwork that I'm not seeing.

Quote from: Larsdangly;1041546You guys are confusing the ell out of me. How are you seeing weirdly drawn hobbits as some sort of political attack launched by the hard left? Either this thread has unravelled into a random discussion of whatever, or there is some sort of very 'meta' reading of fantasy game artwork that I'm not seeing.

If it is a leftist attack, then I am not impressed. Not one bit.

1 post driveby derailed the topic. I don't think anybody is claiming that the bad hobbit art in 5th is some kind of SJW attack.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;10415551 post driveby derailed the topic. I don't think anybody is claiming that the bad hobbit art in 5th is some kind of SJW attack.

Ya gotta give 'im props.  That was one hell of a well-placed shot.  Got us off topic in blow.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;10415551 post driveby derailed the topic. I don't think anybody is claiming that the bad hobbit art in 5th is some kind of SJW attack.

Off topic perhaps, but we're talking about gaming again, aren't we?

I think Lurtch's post was glib. Larsdangly was wrestling a straw man.

Quote from: Krimson;1041419... Though he does venture into Cloud Cuckooland from time to time, I can honestly say that I never found anything bigoted against a particular group. If I had, I would not be here.

(I won't bring up immigrants to Europe then.)

Quote from: Krimson;1041419You don't get wasted time back, and I'd rather be reading about history or science with that time, or writing games I will never run or publish in my coil notebook because I like experimenting with dice probabilities and have a fondness for bell curves.

Totally agree.

Quote from: Krimson;1041419Certainly there are many in the OSR who are Conservative, but Conservative =/= Nazi. ...  So as for the OSR, just because you disagree with a person's political opinion, does not mean that person is now some sort of monster.

Of course.

Quote from: Krimson;1041419Bottom line. I think the Alt-Right OSR is fabricated bullshit.

Yes.

Quote from: Omega;1041475The ongoing blowup is part of the problem of the SJW mindset, agendas and screeds spilling over into the gaming, and other media, community more and more.

And theres been a few points where you just cant remove the political from the RPG because someone just had to stick something in there and then crow about how "inclusive" they are. Or someone else making some crackheaded claims about some book being "racist" or whatever. Just look at a few of the recent threads here or in Pundits section where at one point or another some village idiot claims that forcing inclusivity and all that on players and DMs is just and right and good for the gaming community.

Calling out examples where gaming is getting messed up is relevant and interesting.

Many of the reactions here about "SJWs" and leftists though have seemed to me at least as nutty as they claim the people they're complaining about are, and in about the same ways. Recent threads here have been thick with posts aggressively ranting about these terrible SJW people who label people who disagree with them in highly exaggerated and inaccurate ways, and mess with gamers...

Seems to me the points about actual stupid game designs and behavior tend to make an actual relevant point, and the anti-SJW rants actually undermine that point and create a strong impression that there are a bunch of annoying Don Quixote-like anti-SJW crusaders trampling straw SJWs on an OSR site... gee, I wonder why someone might incorrectly think the OSR has an anti-SJW aspect?

Quote from: Larsdangly;1041217It isn't easy to talk rationally to libertarians about their goals because there are no examples, past or present, of meaningfully large, modern societies that could be called libertarian, so all you really get to do is argue about what features of non-libertarian societies they hate the most.

You must not know many actual libertarians. Moving toward goals of looseness, voluntarism and less coercion can be discussed quite easily. That there are no examples does not mean that there could not be.