Quote from: Azraele;1042438Wow I totally did. Yup, that's on me.

(I NEED to stop posting drunk...)

Fair enough. No hard feelings.

But what are you drinking?

I could go for some hard cider about now.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1042439Fair enough. No hard feelings.

Unrelated: one time I had somebody unbearable naive tell me to "keep your hard feelings in your pants!"

I didn't know you could get banned from a church

Quote from: Ewan;1042440But what are you drinking?

I could go for some hard cider about now.

Just finishing off my bottle of Apothic Dark. It's a bit greasy but not terrible. The red is much better, and it pairs with watching my beloved vampire movies beautifully

God but some cider would hit the spot...

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042394The same thing I've said from the beginning. The same thing I've had many many people tell me over and over who have played in my games: That women and minorities have historically not felt very welcome in the hobby.

You can scream ANECDOTES all you want, but literally just taking a look around the internet you can easily find story after story after story from women that reflect this.

Well, we've gone around and around on that point. I'll let anyone refer to my previous posts on that.

QuoteAlso, while very few designers, I know quite a few women who play, they are just more likely to organize completely among themselves or with a few men they know. A lot know each other from fandom communities and are very active online. Do you know how many of them there are on online forums dedicated to roleplaying games?

Compare a scene like the forums I handle for work, which are devoted to amateur video game RPG making, do you know what percent is women? Hell most of the moderating staff is women. Just because they ended up being the most dedicated people in the community.

Hold on there, cowboy. I have read many articles and testimonials on the web about how the video game scene is rife with abuse and harassment of women. A cesspool of misogynistic neckbeards who keep women down in the industry.

QuoteSo why is it that that isn't the case with Tabletop RPGs? Like, legitimately, why do we see such a small amount of women in TTRPG forums compared to men? What is your hypothesis? Because men aren't the overwhelming majority of who is playing nowadays. There probably are still more men than women, but not to the same degree. Why do you think the online places of discussion don't seem to match the demographics of the people who are playing?

My opinion? Is that women, in general, are not as interested as men in TTPRGs in the first place. There are sex divides in interests, and while anybody should feel free to participate in whatever hobby they want, we also shouldn't be surprised that there are certain distributions of sex in certain hobbies. An individual woman can and should feel free to play and make and talk about ttrpgs, but she also should't be pressured or cajoled into doing something she's really not interested in.
While I have no data on the topic, I imagine there are types of games that appeal to different sexes as well. Perhaps the OSR scene isn't as interesting for women, in general, as 5th edition, or Starfinder, or whatever. Like I said, I don't know. Perhaps the population of female gamers is higher for certain games.

And as long as I'm giving my opinion, I think the preponderance of progressives in the industry, compared to the insistance by some that the RPG industry is hostile to women, brings us to an interesting conclusion.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042429I'm pretty sure that a good many D&D players are women. Literally one of the D&D campaigns I'm playing in right now is all women except me. My wife is playing in another one that is all women. The game she played in before that, with an entirely different other group, was also all women.

I currently play Starfinder Society, and X-Wing miniatures at my local gaming pub. It's in the Pacific Northwest, where you can't swing a dead cat around your head without hitting a "diverse and inclusive" advertisement for gaming.
Out of 16 Starfinder players, we had two women. Our X-Wing scene has barely one. She plays with one or two other players she's friends with, and doesn't participate in the leagues or tourneys. We have one regular woman playing in the Armada leagues, and if I was pressed to guess, I'd say there's about 1/4 ratio of women to men in the pub playing board/card games.

My non-pub RPG groups have pretty much followed this pattern. About one woman, maybe two occasionally, in every group of 4-6 gamers.

In all seriousness, I think it is odd that you really think it isn't weird that it took a long time for someone to think of ONE poster here that wasn't a man.

I'm not saying why isn't it 50%, or 40%, or 30%, or 20%, or even 10%. Like, I asked for 1 and it took that long.

If I go down to the local gaming store, all the women there play ccgs like yuigioh.

And they are fucking vicious to each other.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042448In all seriousness, I think it is odd that you really think it isn't weird that it took a long time for someone to think of ONE poster here that wasn't a man.

Nah. No one here is giving tbat much effort into the discussion.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1042450Nah. No one here is giving tbat much effort into the discussion.

I thought about her immediately, I just didn't say anything. I was secretly hoping she would barge into this thread with her kick-ass avatar and be like BITCHES PLEASE

Quote from: Azraele;1042451I thought about her immediately, I just didn't say anything. I was secretly hoping she would barge into this thread with her kick-ass avatar and be like BITCHES PLEASE

There's only about a dozen posters that have handles I always recognize.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1042452There's only about a dozen posters that have handles I always recognize.

I didn't even realize who you were until you called my drunk ass out just now.

But man, I remember her! Tulpa Girl is awesome

Quote from: Azraele;1042453I didn't even realize who you were until you called my drunk ass out just now.

But man, I remember her! Tulpa Girl is awesome

Who am I to you? I'm genuinely confused.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1042454Who am I to you? I'm genuinely confused.

I rather like the confusion. In lieu of answering, I'll let it linger.

Also, jumping back a few pages here: I have a ton of gay friends and I kid you not, like every single one of them plays D&D. They're always stoked to have somebody to play with, although most are surprised I'm not a gigantic bigot.

The midwest is a mortifying acid flashback of an experience. Apparently to play D&D, you've got to be either a minority or a psychopath. Aside from an extremely rare middle ground that I occupy, possibly alone save for some 40-something grognards who generally own gaming stores.

The breakdown I've experienced for women-to-men gaming is about 1 to 3, which seems to be on the high side if thisthread is to be believed. I don't know ANY women who join RPG message boards, though. I also know very few female GMs, and I suspect that's the stronger determinant than gender. I never graced a message board until I started running games.

Just throwing this out there: you're allowed to have hobbies that girls don't like.