I'm just going to say what everyone is thinking.

True Black Raven is such a homophobe because he cannot face his own latent homosexual urges and admit that he is gay.

Think about it, there's only two kinds of people who would pick such a username: Steers and Queers.

And I don't see no horns on True Black Raven, so that pretty much narrows it down.

True Black Raven, do you suck dick? Are you a peterpuffer?

Like I said earlier, I bet you're the kind of person who would fuck another man in the ass and not give them the common courtesy of a reach-around. I'll be watching you.

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042261I don't know man, how about being told that inclusion of people like me, my family, or my friends in official D&D product is RUINING D&D? And that anyone in the industry who includes any positive representation of LGBT people in their works is virtue signaling.

Eh. I'd say it's about as pleasant is constantly being told that the hobby is a horrible place because of all the white men in it.

At least we can all agree that True Black Raven is a douchebag and is secretly gay.

From now on, he should change his username to Gomer Pyle.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1042367At least we can all agree that True Black Raven is a douchebag and is secretly gay.

From now on, he should change his username to Gomer Pyle.

He's (yes, I'm assuming pronouns) is an idiot child.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1042368He's (yes, I'm assuming pronouns) is an idiot child.

Yup.

Quote from: True Black Raven;1042359I'm sorry, does the truth bother you?

If you ever say it, we'll let you know.

*puts on tin foil hat

True Black Raven is just Emperor Norton posting from a different account because the supply of bigotry was not meeting demand.

*takes off tin foil hat

He is at least acting like the straw-man Emperor Norton has been complaining about the entire thread.

Quote from: jeff37923;1042352Please shut the fuck up, adults are talking.

At least he's kind enough to use the same alias on other boards.  Saves a HUGE amount of time.

Quote from: Doc Sammy;1042367At least we can all agree that True Black Raven is a douchebag and is secretly gay.

From now on, he should change his username to Gomer Pyle.

Let us not confuse the character with the actor.  The only thing I know about Jim Neighbors is that he was gay, and had a beautiful singing voice.  Gomer was straight.  If the show hadn't been in the sixties, there would have been a lot more Marine hi-jinks.

True Raven is one of the obvious trollers (even if he is serious), enjoying the shit he is stirring.  OTOH, I am wondering if Emperor Norton is the more subtle kind.  The ones that almost make sense, but never quite reach it.  The tell on those is they never respond when someone answers their questions, only repeat the earlier question.  They often do respond to other posts, but only the fluff ones.

@Norton:  This is the first time you've seen Morgan?  Really?  That is about the oldest "gamers are pervs!" example on the 'net.  Whenever you hear the derogatory phrase "chainmail nipples" that drawing is what is referred to.

To answer your question about inclusiveness/exclusiveness as I understand it, do you remember One True Way syndrome?  In my very first dungeon, I had rust monsters, which I described as looking like a Star Trek horta.  A couple years later, Monster Manual came out, and nobody knew what those things were, because His Eminence Gygax said rust monsters look like propeller nosed armadillos.  I got tired of telling people "that's not how it is on MY world," and went to Runequest (which I liked as a system better than D20 anyway).  So now that this is in the official rules (One True Way), anybody who wants to play an elf is going to be confused at why they aren't genderfluid.  I have three decades old campaigns, one of which elfs pick a body every so often, and two where what ya got is assigned during gestation.  I just don't want to fight with players about why I'm not changing a thirty year old world concept to fit with a newly published book.

 - Or I could just say:  "We're playing Runequest.  You're a walking tree, and don't have reproductive organs.  Now put that 5E book away, will ya?"

Quote from: Warboss Squee;1042366Eh. I'd say it's about as pleasant is constantly being told that the hobby is a horrible place because of all the white men in it.

You know, there is a reason I don't like TBP, too. Just because some whackadoos are saying something on one side, doesn't mean that people have to go to the other extreme.

(And before people point out that I was mentioning the percent of white men as designers, my point is not that the white men themselves are the problem, but that the lack of diversity is a symptom of a problem).

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042389You know, there is a reason I don't like TBP, too. Just because some whackadoos are saying something on one side, doesn't mean that people have to go to the other extreme.

(And before people point out that I was mentioning the percent of white men as designers, my point is not that the white men themselves are the problem, but that the lack of diversity is a symptom of a problem).

And what, pray tell, is this problem?

Quote from: True Black Raven;1042359I'm sorry, does the truth bother you?

Only when it is contradicted by reality.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1042390And what, pray tell, is this problem?

The same thing I've said from the beginning. The same thing I've had many many people tell me over and over who have played in my games: That women and minorities have historically not felt very welcome in the hobby.

You can scream ANECDOTES all you want, but literally just taking a look around the internet you can easily find story after story after story from women that reflect this.

Also, while very few designers, I know quite a few women who play, they are just more likely to organize completely among themselves or with a few men they know. A lot know each other from fandom communities and are very active online. Do you know how many of them there are on online forums dedicated to roleplaying games?

Compare a scene like the forums I handle for work, which are devoted to amateur video game RPG making, do you know what percent is women? Hell most of the moderating staff is women. Just because they ended up being the most dedicated people in the community.

So why is it that that isn't the case with Tabletop RPGs? Like, legitimately, why do we see such a small amount of women in TTRPG forums compared to men? What is your hypothesis? Because men aren't the overwhelming majority of who is playing nowadays. There probably are still more men than women, but not to the same degree. Why do you think the online places of discussion don't seem to match the demographics of the people who are playing?

Quote from: Emperor Norton;1042389You know, there is a reason I don't like TBP, too. Just because some whackadoos are saying something on one side, doesn't mean that people have to go to the other extreme.

(And before people point out that I was mentioning the percent of white men as designers, my point is not that the white men themselves are the problem, but that the lack of diversity is a symptom of a problem).

Yes, it comes from Big Purple. And EnWorld, GitP (occasionally), Kotaku, Rock Paper Shotgun, and dozens of other gaming news sites and forums.

I'm mixed race, though you'd be hard pressed to guess (the Irish won in me), and the sheer gall of people in your camp (not you specifically, mind you) are constantly crying that their voices aren't heard, while condemning people like myself who have a letter in the completely devalued alphabet soup of a gender movement is exactly why I say go do your own shit.

Quote from: Crawford Tillinghast;1042388Let us not confuse the character with the actor.  The only thing I know about Jim Neighbors is that he was gay, and had a beautiful singing voice.  Gomer was straight.  If the show hadn't been in the sixties, there would have been a lot more Marine hi-jinks.

True Raven is one of the obvious trollers (even if he is serious), enjoying the shit he is stirring.  OTOH, I am wondering if Emperor Norton is the more subtle kind.  The ones that almost make sense, but never quite reach it.  The tell on those is they never respond when someone answers their questions, only repeat the earlier question.  They often do respond to other posts, but only the fluff ones.

@Norton:  This is the first time you've seen Morgan?  Really?  That is about the oldest "gamers are pervs!" example on the 'net.  Whenever you hear the derogatory phrase "chainmail nipples" that drawing is what is referred to.

To answer your question about inclusiveness/exclusiveness as I understand it, do you remember One True Way syndrome?  In my very first dungeon, I had rust monsters, which I described as looking like a Star Trek horta.  A couple years later, Monster Manual came out, and nobody knew what those things were, because His Eminence Gygax said rust monsters look like propeller nosed armadillos.  I got tired of telling people "that's not how it is on MY world," and went to Runequest (which I liked as a system better than D20 anyway).  So now that this is in the official rules (One True Way), anybody who wants to play an elf is going to be confused at why they aren't genderfluid.  I have three decades old campaigns, one of which elfs pick a body every so often, and two where what ya got is assigned during gestation.  I just don't want to fight with players about why I'm not changing a thirty year old world concept to fit with a newly published book.

 - Or I could just say:  "We're playing Runequest.  You're a walking tree, and don't have reproductive organs.  Now put that 5E book away, will ya?"

The Gomer Pyle thing was a reference to Full Metal Jacket, not Jim Nabors being gay.