Quote from: Brad;1041087So is it bad form if I bring up the fact that Nazis were socialists?

Go for it. :rolleyes: Mexico is a long way from Russia so you have little to fear.

Quote from: TJS;1041074Dude.  You have a forum on your gaming site which you use to push your right wing political views.

It's absolute hypocrisy for you to claim other people are bringing politics into gaming when you're posting political screeds under the name "the RPGpundit.  Whatever their faults may be, you share them.

There is a difference between pushing a view and or saying that certain views aren't welcome. It's the difference between missionaries and inquisitors (or commissars in this case).

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1041086The Ctrl-Left has been a failed experiment for decades.

Have they failed, though? They seem to have taken control of university campuses and sections of the media, and are slowly creeping into mainstream political discourse too.

Quote from: Brad;1041087So is it bad form if I bring up the fact that Nazis were socialists?

North Korea is also a Democratic Republic and the States are "United".

Quote from: Kiero;1041099Have they failed, though? They seem to have taken control of university campuses and sections of the media, and are slowly creeping into mainstream political discourse too.

Call it failing then... because it ALWAYS fails. The only question is how much damage it does before it does.

In the US it's getting pushback from both the people who elected Trump and the up and coming generation that is more conservative than we've seen in decades. The latest polling and registration trends suggest the touted "Blue Wave" will be a ripple at best and could even be a Tidy Bowl flush instead. If the US continues the reverse course it'll get a couple of decades of prosperity before the control-left can reorganize and try again (they'll always try again).

By contrast Venezuala and the EU are probably going to collapse completely into failed states before the elites lose their socialist death grip on them. If they're lucky they'll end up with a military junta led by a local rebel leader. The alternative is a succession of Globalist/UN backed puppets who will keep the exploitation going until it turns into another North Korea (ie. kept from total collapse only to the extent it benefits the outside power) or, for the EU, a Caliphate and genocide of the native populations.

Socialism always fails because it's underlying principles don't align with reality and reality always wins in the long run. The same will hold true in the RPG hobby. The Control-Left will only hold power in the companies they do to the extent someone other than paying customers are willing to subsidize that control. So long as the market remains free the hobby will likely follow the US model (ie. pushback and recovery) and the big dogs will either follow the course or stop being the big dogs.

Quote from: TJS;1041074Dude.  You have a forum on your gaming site which you use to push your right wing political views.

It's absolute hypocrisy for you to claim other people are bringing politics into gaming when you're posting political screeds under the name "the RPGpundit.  Whatever their faults may be, you share them.

What truly right-wing views does he have? He's just really bad at expressing things in a way that doesn't make him sound like a dickhead (I honestly thought he was the nerdy brother of Gavin McInnes when I first heard him and that guy is an utter moron). If I knew him personally, I'd call him on his shit all the time and I'd expect the same. But that's the difference between this forum and other ones: you can actually call people on their shit on here.

(Yo Pundit, keep doing your video rants on YouTube, you do you!)

Quote from: Sailing Scavenger;1041094There is a difference between pushing a view and or saying that certain views aren't welcome. It's the difference between missionaries and inquisitors (or commissars in this case).

No, Pundit is just being Pundit. This should be in his sub-forum.

Quote from: Brad;1041087So is it bad form if I bring up the fact that Nazis were socialists?

Having "socialists" in your party's name doesn't make you socialist. Oxymoron much? Try your contemporary Libertarian: they're happy to be asocial, entitled twats but the second they meet another like them, they suddenly cry foul and want someone in blue to cart them off.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1041116Having "socialists" in your party's name doesn't make you socialist. Oxymoron much? Try your contemporary Libertarian: they're happy to be asocial, entitled twats but the second they meet another like them, they suddenly cry foul and want someone in blue to cart them off.

Libertarians are great. They think taxes are a crime, but for some reason expect maintained roads and clean drinking water. We have those types here, who complain about the existence of city workers, and then complain that two feet of snow isn't instantly removed from the roads.

Once again Pundit is dead on. The OSR never had these issues before the killjoy brigade hit town, brining everyone down, slinging mud and totally portraying something as something it is not nor was ever meant to be. If a hillbilly like me can run a diverse group of players weekly in public anybody can. Is everyone at my table white? No. Straight? No. Male? No. Leftist? I'm certainly not. Do any of the differences mean anything to the game? NO. All are welcome and all should be not only welcomed but encouraged to play. THAT is the OSR.

Quote from: bat;1041119Once again Pundit is dead on. The OSR never had these issues before the killjoy brigade hit town, brining everyone down, slinging mud and totally portraying something as something it is not nor was ever meant to be. If a hillbilly like me can run a diverse group of players weekly in public anybody can. Is everyone at my table white? No. Straight? No. Male? No. Leftist? I'm certainly not. Do any of the differences mean anything to the game? NO. All are welcome and all should be not only welcomed but encouraged to play. THAT is the OSR.

My very first DM was Native. I also played RIFTs and Gamma World with his brother, an Indian who wore an Indian's baseball cap. I've played with nearly every demographic.

Quote from: Shawn Driscoll;1041086The Ctrl-Left has been a failed experiment for decades.

How is that 'failed'?  They're in charge in the West.  Something that last for decades is not a failure, wish it was, but it's not.

Well, the only good that can come out of this is if 'OSR' eats itself and it all comes back to being D&D again, which it always was, but people needed to feel 'Speshul' for espousing their house rules and claiming their way is the only way to do it 'right', and thus Edition Warring took on a NEW form.  Personally, if they can make money doing though, who am I to argue with them.  I just wish they would be honest and say what it really is, D&D their way.

DTW.

The early reference I have seen about the left controlled media goes back to the 60s, over 50 years. Apparently the left have taken over the education system, but Conservatives still willingly send their kids there for some reason.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1041116What truly right-wing views does he have?

Truth be told, there is nothing "left" in the traditional sense about theses SJW jackasses either. Despite what they claim.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1041116No, Pundit is just being Pundit. This should be in his sub-forum.

His site I guess. Although I do feel that debunking some of these myths about what is really Left wing would get me a warning for being off-topic. I may be wrong. We'll see.

Anyway, talking RPGs is more important that correcting MSM fueled misconceptions.

Quote from: PrometheanVigil;1041116Having "socialists" in your party's name doesn't make you socialist. Oxymoron much? Try your contemporary Libertarian: they're happy to be asocial, entitled twats but the second they meet another like them, they suddenly cry foul and want someone in blue to cart them off.

Correct. Nazis put socialists, anarchists and communists in concentration camps along with jews, gays and the disabled.

c.f. putting Democratic Peoples Republic in your nation's name.

These arguments are intellectually lazy, pointless, and among the most destructive things happening in public forums. Basically everything said in the OP amounts to either an ad hominem argument, an absurd straw man constructed by cherry picking from among the wild eyed rants that are sprinkled across the internet, or self-pitying catastrophizing. The 'anti-rightist' version would be to pull a crazed quotation from an Alex Jones show transcript, declare that everyone who has voted for a republican politician in the last 40 years agrees with it, and then collapse on your feinting couch, mumbling about the end of the Enlightenment age. It would be ridiculous if it weren't for the fact that this style of debate is increasingly common, and encourages people to either thoughtlessly chime in or thoughtlessly react. As far as I can tell, the only people engaged in this sort of debate who know what they are doing are the guys working at the Russian troll farms who put out a significant fraction of the memes people like to use as kindling.

So, a harsh take. But that's what you get when you start a forum discussion about this sort of nonsense.

Quote from: jeff37923;1041078"Everyone who disagrees with me is a nazi", has been the battle cry of the SJW for awhile now.

Quote from: Brad;1041087So is it bad form if I bring up the fact that Nazis were socialists?

Exactly!

You stand up for free speech and all the snowflakes piss themselves because you had the audacity to care about your freedom. It's the old adage "people scream the loudest at their mirrors".  You Nazis want to publish that thing I don't like? Sensor them! For the good of the party!! *gasp* wait... (that sounds bad...)

Exactly.

Quote from: Krimson;1041120My very first DM was Native. I also played RIFTs and Gamma World with his brother, an Indian who wore an Indian's baseball cap. I've played with nearly every demographic.

Who'd have known that Natives are individual people with individual tastes?  Shocker.  I've known some guys who loved wearing Blackhawks/Braves/Redskins/Indians type gear because they see it as something of a celebration of Native cultures (never mind they were all Coast Salish so very different culture from the likely inspirations of the above mentioned).  I've also known some who are the opposite.