1. Those that want to play in the setting, and ...
2. Those who want to game the system they are playing.
I like both...so there would seem to be at least three types of gamers.
I think it is more like a magnetic dipole, and while people do switch from one to another, I think they bring the actual type with them. I mean for me, I can play games where your characters have "feats" or something, but actual thinking about them is a chore.
Setting players would seem to crave immersion the most.
System players would seem to crave mechanics the most.
Those who enjoy both would seem to be in it for the simulation aspect, which I see as a combination of immersion and mechanical interests.
Then there are those who are just there to eat snacks and toss dice. It's all good.
lol GNS theory without the "N"
Quote from: dragoner;8943501. Those that want to play in the setting
Quiche Eaters!
Quote from: dragoner;894350Those who want to game the system they are playing.
Real Men!
;)
Alas, I miss "Real Men, Real Roleplayers, Loonies and Munchkins." God, I'm old.
Quote from: The Butcher;894443Quiche Eaters!
Mmm, quiche, with spinach and ham.
Quote from: PaladinCA;894408It's all good.
Truth.
There are 11 types of rpg gamers, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;894449There are 11 types of rpg gamers, those who understand binary and those who don't.
But 11 is....oh never mind.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;894449There are 11 types of rpg gamers, those who understand binary and those who don't.
You cared enough to post. I don't care enough in saying either is bad. The Butcher has me hungry though.
Quote from: Bren;894453But 11 is....oh never mind.
Three! :p
The third type is worse.
Quote from: dragoner;8943501. Those that want to play in the setting, and ...
2. Those who want to game the system they are playing.
3: Those who dont want to play the setting. (Batman attacks the Orc!)
4: Those that dont want to deal with the game. (I leap behind the counter, grab a loaded shotgun and kill the alien!)
5: Those who have not a damn clue what the game/setting is and hate it because someone told them to. (Why are we playing this filthy old/new game with its broken mechanics and setting? Ron Edwards says playing it causes BRAIN DAMAGE!!!)
Quote from: dragoner;8943501. Those that want to play in the setting, and ...
2. Those who want to game the system they are playing.
Haven't noticed that it's mutually exclusive, actually. There are a lot of minimaxing munchkins who nonetheless are jazzed about this setting or that.
There are seven types of roleplayers.
And they're all called Fred.
Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;894449There are 11 types of rpg gamers, those who understand binary and those who don't.
Moisture Vaporators or something else?
Quote from: dragoner;8943501. Those that want to play in the setting, and ...
2. Those who want to game the system they are playing.
There is no setting, there is no system, and there is no spoon. Therefore, there is no player.
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Quote from: Ravenswing;894508Haven't noticed that it's mutually exclusive, actually. There are a lot of minimaxing munchkins who nonetheless are jazzed about this setting or that.
Nor do the options encompass the whole of the options. I know plenty of people who couldn't care less about the setting, but are seeking to succeed (however they define that) not by gaming the system but simply by making smart choices.
Quote from: ArrozConLeche;894523There is no setting, there is no system, and there is no spoon. Therefore, there is no player.
It's like playing D&D with Uri Geller.
Quote from: Willie the Duck;894542Nor do the options encompass the whole of the options. I know plenty of people who couldn't care less about the setting, but are seeking to succeed (however they define that) not by gaming the system but simply by making smart choices.
It wasn't set out to be mutually exclusive, just more polar. "Making smart choices" could be gaming the system.
Quote from: estar;894514Moisture Vaporators or something else?
It could be load lifters. They are quite similar to moisture vaporators in most respects.
Just a clue if people aren't getting the reference:
Blondie: You see, in this world there's two kinds of people, my friend: Those with loaded guns and those who dig. You dig.
Quote from: dragoner;8943501. Those that want to play in the setting, and ...
2. Those who want to game the system they are playing.
I think a lot of players are somewhere in the middle actually.
There's another type as well.
Those who don't actually play RPGs, but post on forums, telling people who DO play RPGs how they're doing it all wrong..
Quote from: danskmacabre;894623There's another type as well.
Those who don't actually play RPGs, but post on forums, telling people who DO play RPGs how they're doing it all wrong..
The bitter non-gamers, I'm not thinking about those, I don't want to.
Quote from: dragoner;894447Mmm, quiche, with spinach and ham.
I was referring to this classic screed (http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/realmen.htm), of course.
Quote from: The Butcher;894651I was referring to this classic screed (http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/realmen.htm), of course.
I've actually read "Real Men Don't Eat Quiche" back in the 80's.
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Mmm ... quiche has been my usual reply.
Quote from: danskmacabre;894623There's another type as well.
Those who don't actually play RPGs, but post on forums, telling people who DO play RPGs how they're doing it all wrong..
Heh. My breakdown would be:
1) the people who actually show up to play
vs.
2) the people who say they play, want to play, like to talk about playing, but never show up to play, because .. stuff.
Sometimes it seems at least half the hobby is in that second group.
The types of players (after Borges):
1. Those who always play a brooding loner
2. Those who read up "builds" on the Internet
3. The significant other of another player
4. Nutjobs you won't be inviting for the next session
5. Those who look at what other players are playing before deciding on their PC
6. Those who read up "builds" on the Internet
7. Those who always get their PC killed
8. Those who mostly GM and get to play every now and then
9. Catpissmen
1. Those who play the same games with the same motivations as me (even if those change).
2. Everyone else.
Two types of gamers?
There sure are. Those that talk about types of gamers on the internet and everyone else.
Quote from: The Butcher;894651I was referring to this classic screed (http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/realmen.htm), of course.
Yes, but do real barbarians eat quiche?
(10 xp for anyone who gets the reference)
Quote from: The Butcher;894651I was referring to this classic screed (http://www.zipworld.com.au/~hong/dnd/realmen.htm), of course.
Ha! I love that. Despite the fact that I'm an out and out quiche eating RuneQuest player. I guess real men also like severing limbs ...
Quote from: markfitz;895437Ha! I love that. Despite the fact that I'm an out and out quiche eating RuneQuest player. I guess real men also like severing limbs ...
You forget...
"The determined Real Man can instigate violence in any ruleset."
A Real Man can butcher things with more efficiency, brutality, and pure manly Conan-like Epic Awesomeness in RQ6 than in any other game system. :cool:
BTW, Real Men don't eat Quiche, they eat Bacon, Egg, Sausage, Cheese, and Onion Deep Dish Omelettes...in a pie!
there are 2 types of people in the world (and gamers too I suppose). Those who prefer Addams Family, and those who prefer the Munsters.
yes, there are some who like both. but you always like one or the other more.
(personally I didn't care for the Munsters, but I did like the pilot with Eddie Izzard as Grandpa, and Jerry O'Connell as Herman)
I find myself fancier to #1, but I know this guy who is definitely both, which is why he's playing the Martial Artist in my playtest, lol.
There ARE two types of gamers: the Pundit kind and the WRONG kind!
Those who would rather argue about the game than actually play it. >.<
^These guys are the real game killers, I have seen it too many times.
I think the OP misses the most important group: casual gamers who don't get wrapped up in either the setting or the rules. Impossible as this might sound on an online forum, in my experience these are the most abundant, and usually best, players: people who just take it all in stride and have fun in the moment with whatever is going on.
Quote from: Larsdangly;898123I think the OP misses the most important group: casual gamers who don't get wrapped up in either the setting or the rules. Impossible as this might sound on an online forum, in my experience these are the most abundant, and usually best, players: people who just take it all in stride and have fun in the moment with whatever is going on.
I was at my FLGS yesterday, and this pretty much sums up the gamers I saw there. I've patronized this store since it was a hole in the wall in '86, and now not a single game table was playing D&D. It was all card games with a couple of miniature games. D&D 5e has one obscure display which you really have to look for amongst all the card and board games which now dominate the floor. I'll bet dollars to donuts that I'll see a table playing Cards Against Humanity before I see D&D.
Quote from: Larsdangly;898123I think the OP misses the most important group: casual gamers who don't get wrapped up in either the setting or the rules. Impossible as this might sound on an online forum, in my experience these are the most abundant, and usually best, players: people who just take it all in stride and have fun in the moment with whatever is going on.
I miss nothing, NOTHING! The OP was a bit tongue in cheek, but I'd put casual players more towards group one, I am one.
Quote from: Krimson;898128I'll bet dollars to donuts that I'll see a table playing Cards Against Humanity before I see D&D.
Once upon a time tabletop RPGs were the only way for a lot of different gamers with a lot of different tastes to get their gaming fix. Now that tabletop games have exploded, it turns out that dungeon crawling RPGs
qua dungeon crawling RPGs aren't actually what most gamers want to play.
Well to be honest I think most gamers stay at home and play video games these days.
Quote from: Krimson;898128I was at my FLGS yesterday, and this pretty much sums up the gamers I saw there. I've patronized this store since it was a hole in the wall in '86, and now not a single game table was playing D&D. It was all card games with a couple of miniature games. D&D 5e has one obscure display which you really have to look for amongst all the card and board games which now dominate the floor. I'll bet dollars to donuts that I'll see a table playing Cards Against Humanity before I see D&D.
Well ... but dial it back 50 years (if the FLGS has been around that long), and of course not a single table would've been playing D&D either. They'd have been playing
Tactics II, or
Gettysburg, or
Diplomacy, or a battle recreation with minis. And almost to a man, those wargamers were glaring at disgust a decade later at Those Damn Kids and Their Elf Games, which had taken over
their private reserve.
A lot of people still play cards and chess and whatnot, but for posting here, I think table top RPG should be put before the quote gamers.
Quote from: Krimson;898128I was at my FLGS yesterday, and this pretty much sums up the gamers I saw there. I've patronized this store since it was a hole in the wall in '86, and now not a single game table was playing D&D. It was all card games with a couple of miniature games. D&D 5e has one obscure display which you really have to look for amongst all the card and board games which now dominate the floor. I'll bet dollars to donuts that I'll see a table playing Cards Against Humanity before I see D&D.
At the game stores, nothing but Magic the Gathering around here. It's fucking omnipresent. Multiple events per week. There are some nights of heavy tabletop gaming in some stores, but it's dominated by D&D, especially 5E. It's MtG or D&D, and fuck everything else. This includes even trying to recruit outside the D&D behemoth. You pitch BoL or something like Dungeon World, you don't get many nibbles (outside long time players tired of D&D).
Quote from: cranebump;898279At the game stores, nothing but Magic the Gathering around here. It's fucking omnipresent. Multiple events per week. There are some nights of heavy tabletop gaming in some stores, but it's dominated by D&D, especially 5E. It's MtG or D&D, and fuck everything else. This includes even trying to recruit outside the D&D behemoth. You pitch BoL or something like Dungeon World, you don't get many nibbles (outside long time players tired of D&D).
I didn't factor in something important. Most of the tabletop gamers I have met over the years are engineers in the oil industry. Or were... I live in Alberta which has an all eggs in one basket economy because people have these sugar plum dreams about oil lasting forever. So now, a lot of these people don't have jobs. Actually it's kind of weird going from lower middle class to almost upper middle class by doing nothing at all. I can imagine it's had an effect on hobbies since there are a lot of people that just don't have disposable income anymore.
Quote from: Krimson;898282[...] people have these sugar plum dreams about oil lasting forever.
That's not the problem with Alberta's economy.
During the 90's, a common refrain around the university gaming club was "ah, in the 80's, when we were all young and affluent". Gaming is a luxury hobby and will wax and wane with people's disposable income, but it's important to keep in mind that a game that costs $1 that you never get to play because you can't find players for it is not cost effective compared to a $10 game you can play all the time because you're swimming in a large player pool. Metcalfe's Law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metcalfe%27s_law) applies.
Quote from: daniel_ream;898301That's not the problem with Alberta's economy.
I could visit my mother at work (Service Canada including Employment Insurance) and try and explain that to the endless line of claimants who have lost their jobs. I don't think it will help much. :D
There are four kinds of rpg gamers (a gamer can occupy more than one category):
'Kill Them All'
Gamers who look for things to complain about. Angry players. May use escapism to vent their frustration toward things they don't like in their lives. Prone to violence in game.
'Take Their Stuff'
Gamers who look for things to collect or acquire. Greedy players. May use escapism to gain the fictional wealth they can't get in real life. Prone to theft or hording in game.
'Whose Turn is It?'
Gamers who aren't particularly angry or greedy, but aren't particularly aware either. Oblivious players. May be there the hang out with friends rather with no interest escapism. Prone to zone out or use their phone during the game.
'It's Just a Game'
Cognizant players. Totally present and aware while participating in the game, and doesn't get into it for escapism. Prone to do productive things with their lives instead of playing games.
Quote from: Krimson;898305I could visit my mother at work and try and explain that to the endless line of claimants who have lost their jobs.
So you're doubling down on the thesis that Alberta's run out of oil?
Quote from: daniel_ream;898351So you're doubling down on the thesis that Alberta's run out of oil?
Run out? No. But so long as we don't have a refinery I don't think it's going to be profitable to keep producing as we have the last few decades. Where did you get the idea that I thought we ran out? If we did that would be in all the headlines everywhere.
Quote from: Krimson;898372Where did you get the idea that I thought we ran out?
Quote from: Krimson;898372I live in Alberta which has an all eggs in one basket economy because people have these sugar plum dreams about oil lasting forever.
Just the known reserves in Alberta can run the entire world for the next six years. The oil's not going to run out.
Quote from: daniel_ream;898380The oil's not going to run out.
There is a glut right now, Nightly Business Report just ran a story last night that one of China's major oil fields has cut production by up to 40%, there is fear of a post August crash in prices.
That's not even remotely what he said.
Quote from: Willie the Duck;898473That's not even remotely what he said.
Maybe not, however if China, the world's largest
consumer is slowing production and laying off workers, there could be an even worse situation in Canada.
Quote from: daniel_ream;898380Just the known reserves in Alberta can run the entire world for the next six years. The oil's not going to run out.
Ah yeah that was not me thinking that oil is going to run out. That is my inability to form coherent sentences to express myself properly. >.<
Quote from: dragoner;898504Maybe not, however if China, the world's largest consumer is slowing production and laying off workers, there could be an even worse situation in Canada.
That's why I'm happy I'm in an industry that depends on people requiring food to exist. I have at least one coworker who returned because after years of getting his degree so he can work in the oil field, there are now no jobs in that field especially for new entrants.
It's very weird being financially better off than people I've known for decades and if the industry doesn't recover this time around, I think things are going to look different in the upcoming decade.
Quote from: Krimson;898282I didn't factor in something important. Most of the tabletop gamers I have met over the years are engineers in the oil industry. Or were... I live in Alberta which has an all eggs in one basket economy because people have these sugar plum dreams about oil lasting forever. So now, a lot of these people don't have jobs. Actually it's kind of weird going from lower middle class to almost upper middle class by doing nothing at all. I can imagine it's had an effect on hobbies since there are a lot of people that just don't have disposable income anymore.
Well, sure. A large part of the reason for me getting back into tabletop in '03 was that I was broke, and here was a zero cost hobby where there were already thousands of dollars worth of material (and decades worth of prep work) in crates in my basement.
Quote from: Ravenswing;898543Well, sure. A large part of the reason for me getting back into tabletop in '03 was that I was broke, and here was a zero cost hobby where there were already thousands of dollars worth of material (and decades worth of prep work) in crates in my basement.
I think is why we changed over to 5e. There are three of us left from the old campaigns (1e and BECMI/RC) and 5e makes it quite easy to convert material. My one friend actually got excited when he found out I was setting the game in Sigil. He also has little in the way of cash and in fact I just bought him the 5e core books this month. Of course that was mostly for selfish reasons, because it's hard to get someone hyped on a new edition if they don't have access to the material and the printout I gave him of the Basic rules felt more like a teaser than anything.
Quote from: dragoner;8943501. Those that want to play in the setting, and ...
2. Those who want to game the system they are playing.
No there are two types, those who play in the steam tunnels, and those who don't.
Quote from: CRKrueger;895521You forget...
"The determined Real Man can instigate violence in any ruleset."
A Real Man can butcher things with more efficiency, brutality, and pure manly Conan-like Epic Awesomeness in RQ6 than in any other game system. :cool:
BTW, Real Men don't eat Quiche, they eat Bacon, Egg, Sausage, Cheese, and Onion Deep Dish Omelettes...in a pie!
Ah, I zee zee gentlemensch is familiar with zee famous VIOLENCE by Developer X, ja?
Quote from: dragoner;898504Maybe not, however if China, the world's largest consumer is slowing production and laying off workers, there could be an even worse situation in Canada.
Oh, sorry, I was responding to post #50. I didn't see that people had responded in the middle.
Daniel asked if Krimson was "doubling down on the thesis that Alberta's run out of oil," which is a nonsequitor because it wasn't even remotely Krimson's stated position.
Anyways, good that people are finding cost effective ways to enjoy gaming.
Quote from: Krimson;898538That's why I'm happy I'm in an industry that depends on people requiring food to exist. I have at least one coworker who returned because after years of getting his degree so he can work in the oil field, there are now no jobs in that field especially for new entrants.
It's very weird being financially better off than people I've known for decades and if the industry doesn't recover this time around, I think things are going to look different in the upcoming decade.
It's oil. It will always recover, until the day we invent a killer app for solar (or some other energy source, nuclear, wind, cow farts, whatever) that provides as much energy at a lower cost than oil.
Quote from: CRKrueger;895521BTW, Real Men don't eat Quiche, they eat Bacon, Egg, Sausage, Cheese, and Onion Deep Dish Omelettes...in a pie!
Who ever coined that phrase must have never eaten quiche. I used to eat those by the mound when I worked at a bakery. Great for building muscle.
Quote from: CRKrueger;895521You forget...
"The determined Real Man can instigate violence in any ruleset."
A Real Man can butcher things with more efficiency, brutality, and pure manly Conan-like Epic Awesomeness in RQ6 than in any other game system. :cool:
BTW, Real Men don't eat Quiche, they eat Bacon, Egg, Sausage, Cheese, and Onion Deep Dish Omelettes...in a pie!
I've been reading about Hafþór's (the Mountain, from Game of Thrones) diet.
Evidently, real men eat oats, sweet potatoes, artichoke hearts, fistfuls of spinach, and huge amounts of ground beef.
Quote from: RPGPundit;899522It's oil. It will always recover, until the day we invent a killer app for solar (or some other energy source, nuclear, wind, cow farts, whatever) that provides as much energy at a lower cost than oil.
I do think that the economy will recover but I doubt the oil industry will be the cash cow that it has been here for decades. Mind you a couple of pipelines and a refinery would help. And maybe a US administration who isn't scared of pipelines.
Real men eat congee.
Quote from: Rincewind1;898674Ah, I zee zee gentlemensch is familiar with zee famous VIOLENCE by Developer X, ja?
Stats for "Lye to the Face" as a weapon, you can't beat it.
Quote from: RPGPundit;900303Real men eat congee.
With Century Egg
Quote from: Krimson;900384With Century Egg
delicious!