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The WOTC 2024 Monster Manual won't be delivered, until 2025.

Started by Jam The MF, February 12, 2024, 08:02:21 PM

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Jam The MF

#15
February 13, 2024, 02:05:20 PM
Quote from: Nakana on February 12, 2024, 10:53:38 PM
I'm happy that this is my first official post on the forum:

Fuck WoTC.

Hey everyone, nice to meet you all!

Welcome aboard!!!
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Feratu

#16
February 13, 2024, 05:45:16 PM
Quote from: Nakana on February 12, 2024, 10:53:38 PM
I'm happy that this is my first official post on the forum:

Fuck WoTC.

Hey everyone, nice to meet you all!

Yes, welcome!

Ref the 6E Monster Manual, I would imagine the marxist sensitivity readers are twisting themselves into knots to make every critter category into Marginalized Communities. Hey, they could just make that the name of the product!
"The spread of evil is the symptom of a vacuum. Whenever evil wins, it is only by default: by the moral failure of those who evade the fact that there can be no compromise on basic principles."

― Ayn Rand

Nakana

#17
February 13, 2024, 06:00:24 PM
Quote from: Feratu on February 13, 2024, 05:45:16 PM
Ref the 6E Monster Manual, I would imagine the marxist sensitivity readers are twisting themselves into knots to make every critter category into Marginalized Communities. Hey, they could just make that the name of the product!

No that's a different product they're working on:

Sanctuaries and Snowflakes

Core books: Player's Manifesto, Critical Theorist' Guide, and Marginalized Communities


And thanks to everyone for all the warm welcomes!

Sanson

#18
February 13, 2024, 10:04:10 PM
Well that's going to cheese-off my friend who DM's a 5e Campaign to be sure.

Luckily my copy from 1977 still holds up, despite the fairly atrocious cover art.  I have a soft spot for hobbyist art of that era anyway.
WotC makes me play 1st edition AD&D out of spite...

Dracones

#19
February 13, 2024, 10:24:17 PM
I'd be surprised if this had a huge impact. I've had to leave my online gaming group because they just won't play anything aside from D&D and I feel like that's not unique with today's younger generation. It's like some weird combination of marketing, brand identity, and laziness in not wanting to learn anything else. Even if that something else is a 5e clone.

Maybe people will still go into local stores after hearing about RPGs and wanting to try out "D&D", only to find the local store only sells the clones(because WoTC left the physical book market), so they start in on that instead. But I haven't been too impressed with the 5e clones. They seem to be going for more complexity.

Abraxus

#20
February 13, 2024, 10:28:23 PM
If it do ones grgg if worst for Wotc I hope I can get the 5E books missing in my collection, otherwise as the old saying goes you reap what you sow.

Paizo and Kobold Press ain't any better.

Corolinth

#21
February 13, 2024, 11:26:50 PM
Quote from: Dracones on February 13, 2024, 10:24:17 PM
I'd be surprised if this had a huge impact. I've had to leave my online gaming group because they just won't play anything aside from D&D and I feel like that's not unique with today's younger generation. It's like some weird combination of marketing, brand identity, and laziness in not wanting to learn anything else. Even if that something else is a 5e clone.

Same shit, different edition.

Mistwell

#22
February 14, 2024, 12:44:13 AM
Quote from: BadApple on February 12, 2024, 08:13:57 PM
That will completely kill the launch.

I am actually laughing out loud right now at how stupid and out of touch this comment is. It's rare I actually get a laugh out of something stupid on the net these days. So thanks?

QuoteSure, there will be some diehards that go for 6E/OneD&D/whatever but for many that will be a bit of a deal breaker.  I anticipate that there will be a lot of customers that will wait for the Monster Manual to buy the other books and that will suppress the sales figures over all and potentially cause Hasbro/WOTC to pull the plug.

Jesus, you have to be trolling.

Mistwell

#23
February 14, 2024, 12:47:28 AM
Quote from: Grognard GM on February 12, 2024, 11:17:34 PM
Hey, who needs monsters? Monsters have attacks, and that could cause PC's to die. It's a much more enjoyable game without monsters, y'all!



Been saying for a while that literally anyone who has read the most recent UAs knows it's not even a new edition. All prior monsters are 100% compatible with what they are putting out. The monster updates don't change the way monsters work, they're just adding some new stuff.

Anyone who has actually played the playtest has been just using the existing monsters. They function perfectly fine. Why wouldn't they?

I know I know, doesn't fit the narrative, why bother actually educate yourself about what they're actually doing with 5e 2024, it's so much more fun to just make shit up and then have others treat your bullshit as gospel and they add their own made up shit on top of yours.

Omega

#24
February 14, 2024, 12:48:35 AM
Quote from: BadApple on February 12, 2024, 08:13:57 PM
That will completely kill the launch.

Sure, there will be some diehards that go for 6E/OneD&D/whatever but for many that will be a bit of a deal breaker.  I anticipate that there will be a lot of customers that will wait for the Monster Manual to buy the other books and that will suppress the sales figures over all and potentially cause Hasbro/WOTC to pull the plug.

wotc is trying to pass this off as still 5e. They know the rubes will eat their pig swill happily.

Mistwell

#25
February 14, 2024, 12:50:23 AM
Quote from: GhostNinja on February 13, 2024, 09:47:34 AM


This is fantastic.  So the new D&D will be basically unusable until 2025.   

It is truly hilarious just how deeply out of touch y'all are about this topic.

How the fuck did you think people have been playtesting this? Why on earth do you think a new monster manual is needed to play the game, given there is nothing about this version of the game which invalidates in any way the old monster manual?

Mistwell

#26
February 14, 2024, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: Omega on February 14, 2024, 12:48:35 AM


wotc is trying to pass this off as still 5e. They know the rubes will eat their pig swill happily.

Guys who are actually 5e fans who have read the recent UAs: "Damnit, they ditched all the new inventive stuff! This isn't even a new edition. All they're doing is basically adding like Tasha's 2.0!"

OSR bros who have never read it: "It's 6e! They're trying to pass this off as backwards compatible when we know it's not!"

The rubes are the OSR bros in this scenario who are just talking shit without reading any of it. All you would have to do is download any of the last 3-4 UAs to see they scrapped the "new" stuff quite some time ago.

blackstone

#27
February 14, 2024, 09:00:44 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 14, 2024, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: Omega on February 14, 2024, 12:48:35 AM


wotc is trying to pass this off as still 5e. They know the rubes will eat their pig swill happily.

Guys who are actually 5e fans who have read the recent UAs: "Damnit, they ditched all the new inventive stuff! This isn't even a new edition. All they're doing is basically adding like Tasha's 2.0!"

OSR bros who have never read it: "It's 6e! They're trying to pass this off as backwards compatible when we know it's not!"

The rubes are the OSR bros in this scenario who are just talking shit without reading any of it. All you would have to do is download any of the last 3-4 UAs to see they scrapped the "new" stuff quite some time ago.

Or there are some of us (like me) who just don't give a shit about the latest version of what WoTC calls D&D.
1. I'm a married homeowner with a career and kids. I won life. You can't insult me.

2. I've been deployed to Iraq, so your tough guy act is boring.

BadApple

#28
February 14, 2024, 09:56:49 AM
Quote from: Mistwell on February 14, 2024, 12:54:48 AM
Quote from: Omega on February 14, 2024, 12:48:35 AM


wotc is trying to pass this off as still 5e. They know the rubes will eat their pig swill happily.

Guys who are actually 5e fans who have read the recent UAs: "Damnit, they ditched all the new inventive stuff! This isn't even a new edition. All they're doing is basically adding like Tasha's 2.0!"

OSR bros who have never read it: "It's 6e! They're trying to pass this off as backwards compatible when we know it's not!"

The rubes are the OSR bros in this scenario who are just talking shit without reading any of it. All you would have to do is download any of the last 3-4 UAs to see they scrapped the "new" stuff quite some time ago.

Man, you are white knighting hard for WOTC  this morning.
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Armchair Gamer

#29
February 14, 2024, 10:06:34 AM
The refreshed Monster Manual has been kept almost entirely under wraps, so we can't tell how extensive the changes would be or how much impact it might have on gameplay. But with the original MM and all the pregenerated adventures out there (do WotC adventures still include monster stat blocks? I haven't bought one in eight years, and I sold that one off last year), DMs won't be lacking for options.

I think the delay to post-Christmas might slow down the momentum a bit, but it's likely to be only a dip, not a collapse. If the game falls apart, it will be for other reasons.

It will be interesting to see another set of D&D core rulebooks come out that I won't be buying, though.  :)
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