Edited my comment because it was a bit confusing.

"And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass against us."

Forgiving is good, simply pretending it didn't happen is disingenuous - especially as it continues to happen.

That said, I don't organize boycotts or call for them, I just "boycott" people on my own. In most cases, however, this isn't even "boycott" because I'm not interested in their products anyway.

[Another reason to consider if these things are effective at all. They could be in some cases. For Raggi, for example, I might disagree with one thing or two but not enough to stop liking LotFP. And none of the accusations these people made against him ever made me want to stop buying, playing, reviewing, etc. If he was seriously accused of burning churches or stabbing people, I simply wouldn't be interested in LotFP stuff anymore].

Quote from: Eric Diaz on February 05, 2024, 12:05:01 PM

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 04:00:34 AM
Raggi made an intelligent comment about this whole affair:
https://youtu.be/tlkFS-fpgIs?si=GQqNuzoi_T5y_yL6

Well, I appreciate the positive, "forgive and forget" attitude by the end of the video, but I disagree.

I'm not giving money directly to people I despise or that despise me, for any reason.

For example, I support people regardless of their stance on immigration, but if they go out of their way to proclaim all immigrants or all latinos are criminals they can never have my support.

And I don't like supporting people that I suspect to have committed serious crimes, participated in hate mobs, etc.

(I might still read MAR Baker because he is dead anyway).

Of course, if they REPENT, CHANGE THEIR WAYS and ASK for forgiveness, I might change my mind in many cases.

I believe in forgiveness, really do; "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass  against us." This is extremely important.

But I don't think it means just ignoring all wrongdoings for people that are unrepentant.

[edited].

I separate art and artist. So it could be the biggest douchebag ever but if the product is good I will still buy it.
Otherwise I couldn't watch movies with Tom Cruise or movies made by Weinstein.

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 02:37:52 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on February 05, 2024, 12:05:01 PM

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 04:00:34 AM
Raggi made an intelligent comment about this whole affair:
https://youtu.be/tlkFS-fpgIs?si=GQqNuzoi_T5y_yL6

Well, I appreciate the positive, "forgive and forget" attitude by the end of the video, but I disagree.

I'm not giving money directly to people I despise or that despise me, for any reason.

For example, I support people regardless of their stance on immigration, but if they go out of their way to proclaim all immigrants or all latinos are criminals they can never have my support.

And I don't like supporting people that I suspect to have committed serious crimes, participated in hate mobs, etc.

(I might still read MAR Baker because he is dead anyway).

Of course, if they REPENT, CHANGE THEIR WAYS and ASK for forgiveness, I might change my mind in many cases.

I believe in forgiveness, really do; "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass  against us." This is extremely important.

But I don't think it means just ignoring all wrongdoings for people that are unrepentant.

[edited].

I separate art and artist. So it could be the biggest douchebag ever but if the product is good I will still buy it.
Otherwise I couldn't watch movies with Tom Cruise or movies made by Weinstein.

Fair point.

While I usually don't watch movies that preach hatred upon me, I never checked the credits for Weinstein.

Maybe the difference is that RPGs are usually from a single author; I'm not sure I'd buy and RPG if "by Varg Vikernes" is on the cover.

Or maybe is because RPGs are so niche that I think I can make a very small difference (unlike Tom Cruise movies).

Not sure, but this is what I do.

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 02:37:52 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on February 05, 2024, 12:05:01 PM

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 04:00:34 AM
Raggi made an intelligent comment about this whole affair:
https://youtu.be/tlkFS-fpgIs?si=GQqNuzoi_T5y_yL6

Well, I appreciate the positive, "forgive and forget" attitude by the end of the video, but I disagree.

I'm not giving money directly to people I despise or that despise me, for any reason.

For example, I support people regardless of their stance on immigration, but if they go out of their way to proclaim all immigrants or all latinos are criminals they can never have my support.

And I don't like supporting people that I suspect to have committed serious crimes, participated in hate mobs, etc.

(I might still read MAR Baker because he is dead anyway).

Of course, if they REPENT, CHANGE THEIR WAYS and ASK for forgiveness, I might change my mind in many cases.

I believe in forgiveness, really do; "And forgive us our trespasses, as we forgive them that trespass  against us." This is extremely important.

But I don't think it means just ignoring all wrongdoings for people that are unrepentant.

[edited].

I separate art and artist. So it could be the biggest douchebag ever but if the product is good I will still buy it.
Otherwise I couldn't watch movies with Tom Cruise or movies made by Weinstein.

On the whole, I have no issue with someone having a different opinion from me so I have no problem doing business with those I disagree with.  However, that's no what's at stake here.

Olivia Hill and gang tried to destroy people and companies unless they paid proper tribute to her court judging everyone else on moral ground that she didn't hold herself to.  Go back and read the article in the OP and realize that is what they were doing to many people in the TTRPG industry and with that level of honesty.  It wasn't ma matter of having a different view and clashing, it was a targeted campaign of social and economic terrorism to bring the TTRPG industry to heel and rid it of undesirables. 

If a game is being made by a person that has the intent to use that money to further goals that are against me or my best interests then I'm not buying, and I would recommend  that you consider this position as well.

@BadApple
Cruise is a high-ranking member of Scientology. His earning and fame support a vile organisation preying on the weak and desperate, destroying lifes and families.

Weinstein used his money and influence to rape and abuse women. The more success he had the more influence he got and the easier it became for him to commit his crimes.

So if Olivia Hill, Zak S... had a good product I would buy it.

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 04:00:34 AM
Raggi made an intelligent comment about this whole affair:
https://youtu.be/tlkFS-fpgIs?si=GQqNuzoi_T5y_yL6

Now THAT is the op-ed I needed.

Do I agree with Raggi's conclusions? No. I think the broader problem is that the internet is effectively a mess of fiefdoms where the authorities on any one platform is too busy protecting their own political power to serve the whole of the community. The way you respond to this is to create moral authority, mostly in the form of structured victim advocacy.

Now, I understand creating moral authority with...this bunch is a hella hard thing to do, but hard and impossible are not the same thing.

Quote from: GRIM on February 05, 2024, 11:22:52 AM
I would remind you that I'm probably the most left-wing person you've ever encountered.

And a mad bastard. But we kinda like you. 

Quote from: Coffeecup on February 05, 2024, 03:18:24 PM
@BadApple
Cruise is a high-ranking member of Scientology. His earning and fame support a vile organisation preying on the weak and desperate, destroying lifes and families.

Weinstein used his money and influence to rape and abuse women. The more success he had the more influence he got and the easier it became for him to commit his crimes.

So if Olivia Hill, Zak S... had a good product I would buy it.

I haven't watched a Tom Cruise movie since I learned of his involvement with Scientology for precisely those reasons.  As far as Harvey Weinstein, I had no idea who he was until the news broke and he hasn't made a movie since.

I'm not calling for a general boycott, I'm just saying shop as an informed consumer. 

Funny thing about the Weinstein thing.  I can find evidence that his older victims were setting up his younger victims.  Either they are all a bunch of snakes or it's less a victim thing and more of them knowingly paying a sex tax.  I suspect there's a lot less difference between these actresses and OF girls aging out of the game than they let on.  All in all, Hollywood disgusts me and I'm sad that so many things I loved are tied to these people.  I pretty much stopped watching movies and TV altogether. 

Quote from: BadApple on February 05, 2024, 05:08:10 PM
As far as Harvey Weinstein, I had no idea who he was until the news broke and he hasn't made a movie since.

Funny thing about the Weinstein thing.  I can find evidence that his older victims were setting up his younger victims.  Either they are all a bunch of snakes or it's less a victim thing and more of them knowingly paying a sex tax.  I suspect there's a lot less difference between these actresses and OF girls aging out of the game than they let on.  All in all, Hollywood disgusts me and I'm sad that so many things I loved are tied to these people.  I pretty much stopped watching movies and TV altogether.

Weinstein is in prison. A handful of movies (like Kevin Smith's Dogma) are stuck in purgatory because he is in prison and owns the distribution rights. I think it is fair to assume nearly every pretty girl that was in a Miramax film went along with the casting couch and then allowed others to be abused by keeping their silence.

Quote from: KingOfUmbar on February 05, 2024, 08:42:18 AM
Zak deleted his blog post. Unsure why exactly he did that.

Zak? Deleting evidence? Inconceivable!

Should be easy enough to find discussions about it on #Reddit though, as it was posted to... 410 different communities.

Quote from: RPGPundit on February 04, 2024, 08:12:34 PM
C. W. Chanter,

...

Who?

Quote from: VengerSatanis on February 04, 2024, 04:35:25 PM
I will confirm the most important part of this (or any other) story... yeah, it was me.  I originated #TwatGate  You're welcome.

Bad actors bragging about harassing and defaming other creators.

Zak bragging about breaching his contracts.

And now you bragging about this.

The embarrassing confessions never end.

Roman Polanski is a POS tht should be rotting in a jail cell, but The 9th Gate is an incredible movie, and practically a perfect CoC adventure brought to the big screen.

Quote from: Grognard GM on February 05, 2024, 11:38:18 PM
Roman Polanski is a POS tht should be rotting in a jail cell, but The 9th Gate is an incredible movie, and practically a perfect CoC adventure brought to the big screen.

Sounds about right to me.

Is Evil Genius games caught up in this kerfuffle?   Did they not respond to the wardrums of the mob quick enough or are they instead guilty of wrongthink?  I just saw multiple people, some with various unnatural hair colors, posting and reposting other public resignations from the company over "ethical" reasons supposedly.   

edit:  Nevermind.  Looks like it's more likely to be a garden variety AI/blockchain use protest quitting.  I didn't realize the industry was in such a solid shape that employees (whether freelance or permanent) could afford to quit a paying gig but so be it.   False alarm regardless.

Quote from: RNGm on February 07, 2024, 11:40:58 AM
edit:  Nevermind.  Looks like it's more likely to be a garden variety AI/blockchain use protest quitting.  I didn't realize the industry was in such a solid shape that employees (whether freelance or permanent) could afford to quit a paying gig but so be it.   False alarm regardless.

Well, the industry is always in the shitter, but a steady paycheck doesn't do you much good when Florida has been turned into a series of islands, either. Crypto mining has essentially erased all the energy efficiency gains of the last two decades in two years, and I have yet to see evidence that blockchain is is anything other than an invitation to set your wallet and the deed to your house on your front porch in a REALLY GOOD COMBINATION SAFE.

For legal reasons, we're unlikely to ever get full details of the reasons for why everyone is not working there. However, I've seen some people researching articles to talk about what we do know.

Quote from: pawsplay on February 09, 2024, 06:03:23 PM

Quote from: RNGm on February 07, 2024, 11:40:58 AM
edit:  Nevermind.  Looks like it's more likely to be a garden variety AI/blockchain use protest quitting.  I didn't realize the industry was in such a solid shape that employees (whether freelance or permanent) could afford to quit a paying gig but so be it.   False alarm regardless.

Well, the industry is always in the shitter, but a steady paycheck doesn't do you much good when Florida has been turned into a series of islands, either. Crypto mining has essentially erased all the energy efficiency gains of the last two decades in two years, and I have yet to see evidence that blockchain is is anything other than an invitation to set your wallet and the deed to your house on your front porch in a REALLY GOOD COMBINATION SAFE.

For legal reasons, we're unlikely to ever get full details of the reasons for why everyone is not working there. However, I've seen some people researching articles to talk about what we do know.

"Muh Climate Change!"

1: Go tell it to China & India
2: Stick to gamming topics you trolling cunt
3: Go suck a "feminine" penis you deranged lunatic.