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Quote from: JanDevries on February 01, 2024, 10:02:07 AM
It's also been alleged that Zak released screenshots of a private convo from the Autarch Discord in an attempt to get Macris and his partner Mike - who as far as I can see, has done nothing to Zak - in hot water with Disney/Marvel over Zak & Macris' personal beef. The beef in question allegedly being that Zak felt he was owed Macris' support during Mandygate, despite Zak having screwed Macris over. The screenshots "coincidentally" dropped as the ACKS II Kickstarter was launching.

Zak, did you have any involvement with the attempts to sabotage the ACKS II Kickstarter?

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Edit: well, well, the Macris screenshots from the time of the ACKS II KS have now disappeared from imgur. Almost as if someone is trying to cover their tracks. I just saw them yesterday.

Hi, Zak!

You don't even need to ask, because Zak posted it on his blog: https://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2023/09/im-going-to-break-some-news-about-new.html

The guy who posted it on Reddit (sombodystoleme) is either a Zak sockpuppet or one of his dicksuckers, because his only posts are related to Zak drama.

I am curious what Zak's connection with Clio is.

So Zak is fine and dandy with trying to ruin peoples' careers, just so long as the target is someone who is not Zak.  I see.  Well, given the interactions I've seen him undertaking with people here, I can't say I find it out of character for him; never exactly seen the milk of human kindness overflowing from him.

Quote from: tenbones on February 01, 2024, 09:56:01 AM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 31, 2024, 05:51:08 PM
if anything, this whole twatgate rpgdrama had reminded me of Ocule's list. I really will only support creators who I know are decent.

Isn't that the truth?

I work in the corporate world - it's filled with mid-wits, nincompoops, bureaucratic twats, and a few geniuses. But the level of drama in the TTRPG world is so... *weeeirdly* childishly pathetic and malicious. When it *could* be so much better. But fuck me if watching this unfold as representative of the hobby... Jesus. It's pretty laughable.

There are good people in this hobby making good products. Support them. I'd say "ignore the weirdos" - but it's clear they won't ignore you if you get into the industry on a meaningful level. But fuck me if I'll work with anyone associated with this bullshit.

No amount of freelancing is worth "credit" earned on the backs of being a potential target for fucktard malignant bottom-feeding narcissists in this industry. (and in full disclosure I've worked with a few of them mentioned in the distant past not that it matters now - it was a more innocent time before the madness set in). But now? BWAHAHAH I'll reinvent the wheel on my own dime, thanks.

hehe. So true. I mean my dreams of being in the industry died on the vine long ago....thankfully.

It's been so refreshing though to ignore so many "rpg creators". It took me a bit to sell off stuff I didn't want anymore (still got some stuff).

Even selling the stuff that was touted so high and mighty I still have loads of fantastic stuff by decent creators.

Quote from: tenbones on February 01, 2024, 09:56:01 AM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 31, 2024, 05:51:08 PM
if anything, this whole twatgate rpgdrama had reminded me of Ocule's list. I really will only support creators who I know are decent.

I work in the corporate world - it's filled with mid-wits, nincompoops, bureaucratic twats, and a few geniuses. But the level of drama in the TTRPG world is so... *weeeirdly* childishly pathetic and malicious. When it *could* be so much better. But fuck me if watching this unfold as representative of the hobby... Jesus. It's pretty laughable.

As a customer, my reaction is that I have no interest in digging into the drama about who is right and wrong in these debates. In general, I'll buy based on whether it's a product I'm interested in, not based on whether the creator is a good person or not.

I don't care if the person who grew the oranges I buy is a good person or not, or what their politics are. I will boycott a major company at times, but it's the exception rather than the rule - and it's for major things, not stuff that I have to dig through social media for.

Quote from: jhkim on February 01, 2024, 08:29:46 PM

Quote from: tenbones on February 01, 2024, 09:56:01 AM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 31, 2024, 05:51:08 PM
if anything, this whole twatgate rpgdrama had reminded me of Ocule's list. I really will only support creators who I know are decent.

I work in the corporate world - it's filled with mid-wits, nincompoops, bureaucratic twats, and a few geniuses. But the level of drama in the TTRPG world is so... *weeeirdly* childishly pathetic and malicious. When it *could* be so much better. But fuck me if watching this unfold as representative of the hobby... Jesus. It's pretty laughable.

As a customer, my reaction is that I have no interest in digging into the drama about who is right and wrong in these debates. In general, I'll buy based on whether it's a product I'm interested in, not based on whether the creator is a good person or not.

I don't care if the person who grew the oranges I buy is a good person or not, or what their politics are. I will boycott a major company at times, but it's the exception rather than the rule - and it's for major things, not stuff that I have to dig through social media for.

I have more nuance than to pretend this analogy is the same when we've literally spent years on this and other forums talking about this and other shit relating to the hobby at large. Sorry, buying oranges isn't an "hobby" I engage in as a hobby.

Quote from: Valatar on February 01, 2024, 04:30:11 PM
So Zak is fine and dandy with trying to ruin peoples' careers, just so long as the target is someone who is not Zak.  I see.  Well, given the interactions I've seen him undertaking with people here, I can't say I find it out of character for him; never exactly seen the milk of human kindness overflowing from him.

It takes a special kind of asshole to keep using the same shit that was used to destroy you. Meaning a stupid and evil asshole.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on February 01, 2024, 11:07:01 PM

Quote from: Valatar on February 01, 2024, 04:30:11 PM
So Zak is fine and dandy with trying to ruin peoples' careers, just so long as the target is someone who is not Zak.  I see.  Well, given the interactions I've seen him undertaking with people here, I can't say I find it out of character for him; never exactly seen the milk of human kindness overflowing from him.

It takes a special kind of asshole to keep using the same shit that was used to destroy you. Meaning a stupid and evil asshole.

My entirety of knowledge about the guy is when he had a thread created here to advertise that he just won a lawsuit, and his response was to insult and war with everyone that posted in it, even supportive or neutral people. That's all I need to know, he's an asshole with a hair up it.

the article was about liars

i told the truth

those things are opposites

Yeah no, not quite.  You took a man who had, as proved in your own email records, protected you from people ousting you for your politics, then went out of your way to sabotage his career because you disagreed with his politics.  Your "truth" that you posted was that he was objectively a bad person, but that was based on your entirely subjective opinion of the politics of a guy he worked with.  The extent of the man's crimes against humanity seem to be holding opinions that you disagreed with.

I posit that being a sleaze who sabotages people because of a bullshit reason like working with Milo Yawhateveropolis is not morally superior to being a sleaze who sabotages people because of a fabricated reason.

Quote from: Zak S on February 02, 2024, 12:18:37 AM
the article was about liars

i told the truth

those things are opposites

Sociopaths are really good at lying and convincing themselves they're telling the truth. Maybe you should see a therapist and get this sorted out.

Being a victim's rights advocate, I think that the burden of proof is still on Macris to demonstrate what happened. Ya know, innocent until proven guilty.

That said, I can totally see Macris's side of the matter. Nazis are the perfect example of the Boy who Cried Wolf, because almost none of the people decried as Nazis are even in the correct zip code of being real Nazis. If I were in his shoes and I had a collaborator pull out because "muh Nazis" and said collab didn't return an advance, I would probably also come to the conclusion this was grandstanding with the intent of walking out with the advance. If you (Zak) were honest about the intent, you needed to return the advance to prove that money was not one of your motives. As is, it looks like it will forever be up to the reader's interpretation what your motives actually were.

But again, Macris has to prove this. Zak doesn't have to prove anything.

Quote from: tenbones on February 01, 2024, 09:56:01 AM

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on January 31, 2024, 05:51:08 PM
if anything, this whole twatgate rpgdrama had reminded me of Ocule's list. I really will only support creators who I know are decent.

Isn't that the truth?

I work in the corporate world - it's filled with mid-wits, nincompoops, bureaucratic twats, and a few geniuses. But the level of drama in the TTRPG world is so... *weeeirdly* childishly pathetic and malicious. When it *could* be so much better. But fuck me if watching this unfold as representative of the hobby... Jesus. It's pretty laughable.

There are good people in this hobby making good products. Support them. I'd say "ignore the weirdos" - but it's clear they won't ignore you if you get into the industry on a meaningful level. But fuck me if I'll work with anyone associated with this bullshit.

No amount of freelancing is worth "credit" earned on the backs of being a potential target for fucktard malignant bottom-feeding narcissists in this industry. (and in full disclosure I've worked with a few of them mentioned in the distant past not that it matters now - it was a more innocent time before the madness set in). But now? BWAHAHAH I'll reinvent the wheel on my own dime, thanks.

There is definitely a significant amount of creative envy. It is much easier to destroy competition who is smarter than you than it is to make a better game than them, so people who care about their place in the industry pecking order and who don't actually care about the game do that instead.

Quote from: Fheredin on February 02, 2024, 07:48:54 AM
Being a victim's rights advocate, I think that the burden of proof is still on Macris to demonstrate what happened. Ya know, innocent until proven guilty.

That said, I can totally see Macris's side of the matter. Nazis are the perfect example of the Boy who Cried Wolf, because almost none of the people decried as Nazis are even in the correct zip code of being real Nazis. If I were in his shoes and I had a collaborator pull out because "muh Nazis" and said collab didn't return an advance, I would probably also come to the conclusion this was grandstanding with the intent of walking out with the advance. If you (Zak) were honest about the intent, you needed to return the advance to prove that money was not one of your motives. As is, it looks like it will forever be up to the reader's interpretation what your motives actually were.

But again, Macris has to prove this. Zak doesn't have to prove anything.

I don't think Zak has even denied it. He's talked around denying it and said "the emails show Macris is lying" but the email seems to show that Macris is telling the truth.

Also it appears that Zak may have deleted another email attachment which demonstrably showed Macris was telling the truth.

I doubt Macris has access to the Escapist email account but Zak still has access to his hotmail. Therefore Zak should post the entire conversation log if he is confident in being correct. Preferably including a secondary email msg file.