Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 01:00:53 PM
It was posted twice on r/RPG and removed both time for Zak S content. In other words, Zak S is now being used to indicate Wrongthink. Anyone actually surprised?

This article is massively long. Medium thinks it takes almost an hour to read. When I get a chance I will follow up with whether or not it's even worth it to give this article a full post mortem because we could be at an article that long for weeks.

The first 20% is interesting, though not really doing anything other than confirming what we already knew.

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 28, 2024, 06:05:54 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 01:00:53 PM
It was posted twice on r/RPG and removed both time for Zak S content. In other words, Zak S is now being used to indicate Wrongthink. Anyone actually surprised?

This article is massively long. Medium thinks it takes almost an hour to read. When I get a chance I will follow up with whether or not it's even worth it to give this article a full post mortem because we could be at an article that long for weeks.

The first 20% is interesting, though not really doing anything other than confirming what we already knew.

To me, the value of the article isn't that we learned anything new but that it's information that's been denied coming from a new vector.  If we can verify the authenticity of the article and the sound clips, then it's one more piece of evidence to preserve for the cause of fixing society and doing away with the woke nonsense.  If it's a fraud of some kind, then it would be good to know so that we can be prepared for similar efforts of information manipulation.

I don't think anyone should be treated like Zak was.  I believe you nail someone to the wall for their actual sins, not make shit up because you don't like their tone.  That said, it's hard to have sympathy for someone who knowingly sleeps with vipers when they get bit.

Quote from: BadApple on January 28, 2024, 06:32:37 PM
To me, the value of the article isn't that we learned anything new but that it's information that's been denied coming from a new vector.  If we can verify the authenticity of the article and the sound clips, then it's one more piece of evidence to preserve for the cause of fixing society and doing away with the woke nonsense.  If it's a fraud of some kind, then it would be good to know so that we can be prepared for similar efforts of information manipulation.

"One more piece of evidence".

I'll admit that the thought crossed my mind - maybe the article is posted and then taken down, only to be archived as a "piece of evidence" for some future litigation?

This could be the case even if the things she says are true, but difficult to prove.

I have no idea. Just something that crossed my mind while asking myself how and why the article was written in such manner.

(again, just playing "internet detective" and having no knowledge of most these people, and I feel bad for anyone unjustly attacked).

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 28, 2024, 04:25:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

That is an understatement.

I think I can put my finger on the problem; it isn't just that the audio clips are missing--although they link to a Soundcloud which is completely empty--but that this is supposedly an article put together by a lady with three graduate degrees, she spent four years putting it together...and there are absolutely no citations for anything.

I don't actually think this article was written by "Clio Belle Weisman."

There's no obvious professional reason to write a big article like this, let alone to post it, post it on a few forums, and then to take it down a few hours later like something special happened behind the scenes. It's also written in more an NYT Op-Ed slander piece style than an academic style. Rest assured a scholarly article author like Weisman would struggle to write NYT style op-ed pieces because the styles conflict. But the last problem is probably the killer; Clio Belle Weisman has a minimum of three graduate degrees. There's actually a paper "Functional Family Therapy" you can find via Google that Weisman appears to have written, and a followup paper Weisman is primary author on, both of which at least have citations.

This article has no citations at all. Between that and the fact that every social media account attached to the name is an inactive stub, I suspect the author is being falsely attributed.

Even if every claim the article makes is true, it's only hearsay without citations. Heck, we can't even prove this article is not written by ChatGPT.

The audio clips are available in GrimJim's channels, I think. These are 15 damming minutes, but then again where is the rest?

(also, they are posted in this thread by a mysterious guy - with only 3 posts - that then disappeared)

I do agree the article feels strange.

I don't know about the author, Clio Belle Weisman seems to have a small internet footprint, as I've mentioned. Looking at her almost inactive twitter (and followers, followed), I cannot tell wether this is hear actual account. Some tweets seem legit. But I don't know.

Quote from: Eric Diaz on January 28, 2024, 06:52:49 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 28, 2024, 04:25:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

That is an understatement.

I think I can put my finger on the problem; it isn't just that the audio clips are missing--although they link to a Soundcloud which is completely empty--but that this is supposedly an article put together by a lady with three graduate degrees, she spent four years putting it together...and there are absolutely no citations for anything.

I don't actually think this article was written by "Clio Belle Weisman."

There's no obvious professional reason to write a big article like this, let alone to post it, post it on a few forums, and then to take it down a few hours later like something special happened behind the scenes. It's also written in more an NYT Op-Ed slander piece style than an academic style. Rest assured a scholarly article author like Weisman would struggle to write NYT style op-ed pieces because the styles conflict. But the last problem is probably the killer; Clio Belle Weisman has a minimum of three graduate degrees. There's actually a paper "Functional Family Therapy" you can find via Google that Weisman appears to have written, and a followup paper Weisman is primary author on, both of which at least have citations.

This article has no citations at all. Between that and the fact that every social media account attached to the name is an inactive stub, I suspect the author is being falsely attributed.

Even if every claim the article makes is true, it's only hearsay without citations. Heck, we can't even prove this article is not written by ChatGPT.

The audio clips are available in GrimJim's channels, I think. These are 15 damming minutes, but then again where is the rest?

(also, they are posted in this thread by a mysterious guy - with only 3 posts - that then disappeared)

I do agree the article feels strange.

I don't know about the author, Clio Belle Weisman seems to have a small internet footprint, as I've mentioned. Looking at her almost inactive twitter (and followers, followed), I cannot tell wether this is hear actual account. Some tweets seem legit. But I don't know.

The article wasn't "posted anonimously tro some internet forums" it was published in the author's Medium and then taken down together with the audio clips.

Now, let's say it's a fake: Why, What purpouse, Who benefits?

To incite the harassment of the named persons? By whom? And who benefits from faking it?

The only named innocent victim is Zak, but he seems to be doing a fine job of suing the slanderers, so has no need for such a fake.

Not a single leftard would benefit from it nor would they dream of presenting Zak as an innocent victim.

Occam's Razor, which conclusion needs the least logical jumps?

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 28, 2024, 07:57:19 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on January 28, 2024, 06:52:49 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 28, 2024, 04:25:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

That is an understatement.

I think I can put my finger on the problem; it isn't just that the audio clips are missing--although they link to a Soundcloud which is completely empty--but that this is supposedly an article put together by a lady with three graduate degrees, she spent four years putting it together...and there are absolutely no citations for anything.

I don't actually think this article was written by "Clio Belle Weisman."

There's no obvious professional reason to write a big article like this, let alone to post it, post it on a few forums, and then to take it down a few hours later like something special happened behind the scenes. It's also written in more an NYT Op-Ed slander piece style than an academic style. Rest assured a scholarly article author like Weisman would struggle to write NYT style op-ed pieces because the styles conflict. But the last problem is probably the killer; Clio Belle Weisman has a minimum of three graduate degrees. There's actually a paper "Functional Family Therapy" you can find via Google that Weisman appears to have written, and a followup paper Weisman is primary author on, both of which at least have citations.

This article has no citations at all. Between that and the fact that every social media account attached to the name is an inactive stub, I suspect the author is being falsely attributed.

Even if every claim the article makes is true, it's only hearsay without citations. Heck, we can't even prove this article is not written by ChatGPT.

The audio clips are available in GrimJim's channels, I think. These are 15 damming minutes, but then again where is the rest?

(also, they are posted in this thread by a mysterious guy - with only 3 posts - that then disappeared)

I do agree the article feels strange.

I don't know about the author, Clio Belle Weisman seems to have a small internet footprint, as I've mentioned. Looking at her almost inactive twitter (and followers, followed), I cannot tell wether this is hear actual account. Some tweets seem legit. But I don't know.

The article wasn't "posted anonimously tro some internet forums" it was published in the author's Medium and then taken down together with the audio clips.

Now, let's say it's a fake: Why, What purpouse, Who benefits?

To incite the harassment of the named persons? By whom? And who benefits from faking it?

The only named innocent victim is Zak, but he seems to be doing a fine job of suing the slanderers, so has no need for such a fake.

Not a single leftard would benefit from it nor would they dream of presenting Zak as an innocent victim.

Occam's Razor, which conclusion needs the least logical jumps?

A fairly common false flag attack is to create a false piece of information, get people to believe in it and associate with it, expose it as fake, then claim that those that believed it are just as bad as those that put the false information forward.

It's bullshit but it does seem to work in the court of public opinion.

There is a domain matching that author's name, but it's gone. The original article is gone.

The tone of the article is weird. I mean, the main thing is complaining about people saying things without proof, and then it proceeds to demolish several people and call them liars, without proof. It's not what you would call even-handed.

Forgery? Trolling? Defending Zac, or defending having defended him? An un-self-reflective author going where angels dare not tread? Mental health breakdown? I have no clue.

Has Zak weighed in on this?

Quote from: Thornhammer on January 28, 2024, 09:03:02 PM
Has Zak weighed in on this?

If he's smarter than I think he is, he won't.

I mean, if he just said whether he talked to this person, that would be enlightening.

Quote from: pawsplay on January 28, 2024, 09:38:06 PM
I mean, if he just said whether he talked to this person, that would be enlightening.

After reading the article, my theory is Zak is banging the author.

Quote from: DocJones on January 28, 2024, 11:02:07 PM

Quote from: pawsplay on January 28, 2024, 09:38:06 PM
I mean, if he just said whether he talked to this person, that would be enlightening.

After reading the article, my theory is Zak is banging the author.

I, of course, have no factual basis for asserting such a thing.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 28, 2024, 07:57:19 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on January 28, 2024, 06:52:49 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 28, 2024, 04:25:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

That is an understatement.

I think I can put my finger on the problem; it isn't just that the audio clips are missing--although they link to a Soundcloud which is completely empty--but that this is supposedly an article put together by a lady with three graduate degrees, she spent four years putting it together...and there are absolutely no citations for anything.

I don't actually think this article was written by "Clio Belle Weisman."

There's no obvious professional reason to write a big article like this, let alone to post it, post it on a few forums, and then to take it down a few hours later like something special happened behind the scenes. It's also written in more an NYT Op-Ed slander piece style than an academic style. Rest assured a scholarly article author like Weisman would struggle to write NYT style op-ed pieces because the styles conflict. But the last problem is probably the killer; Clio Belle Weisman has a minimum of three graduate degrees. There's actually a paper "Functional Family Therapy" you can find via Google that Weisman appears to have written, and a followup paper Weisman is primary author on, both of which at least have citations.

This article has no citations at all. Between that and the fact that every social media account attached to the name is an inactive stub, I suspect the author is being falsely attributed.

Even if every claim the article makes is true, it's only hearsay without citations. Heck, we can't even prove this article is not written by ChatGPT.

The audio clips are available in GrimJim's channels, I think. These are 15 damming minutes, but then again where is the rest?

(also, they are posted in this thread by a mysterious guy - with only 3 posts - that then disappeared)

I do agree the article feels strange.

I don't know about the author, Clio Belle Weisman seems to have a small internet footprint, as I've mentioned. Looking at her almost inactive twitter (and followers, followed), I cannot tell wether this is hear actual account. Some tweets seem legit. But I don't know.

The article wasn't "posted anonimously tro some internet forums" it was published in the author's Medium and then taken down together with the audio clips.

Now, let's say it's a fake: Why, What purpouse, Who benefits?

To incite the harassment of the named persons? By whom? And who benefits from faking it?

The only named innocent victim is Zak, but he seems to be doing a fine job of suing the slanderers, so has no need for such a fake.

Not a single leftard would benefit from it nor would they dream of presenting Zak as an innocent victim.

Occam's Razor, which conclusion needs the least logical jumps?

Medium is not exactly a financial institution running KYC, and there isn't a single other article on that account to verify that this is the same person. It's a one-off.

Like I said, the real problem is that the article has zero citations (apart from audio which no skeptic will see as necessarily damning) so even if it is completely true, it is also completely useless at actually changing Zak S's situation, much less the larger situation of the industry. It isn't like I doubt the things in the article can't be true. But the article itself isn't skeptic-proof investigative journalism. It doesn't even give me the leads to do the investigative journalism myself with. It's just...a dead end. The article is almost an hour of reading and it effects a rhetorical cul de sac.

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 11:25:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 28, 2024, 07:57:19 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on January 28, 2024, 06:52:49 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 28, 2024, 04:25:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

That is an understatement.

I think I can put my finger on the problem; it isn't just that the audio clips are missing--although they link to a Soundcloud which is completely empty--but that this is supposedly an article put together by a lady with three graduate degrees, she spent four years putting it together...and there are absolutely no citations for anything.

I don't actually think this article was written by "Clio Belle Weisman."

There's no obvious professional reason to write a big article like this, let alone to post it, post it on a few forums, and then to take it down a few hours later like something special happened behind the scenes. It's also written in more an NYT Op-Ed slander piece style than an academic style. Rest assured a scholarly article author like Weisman would struggle to write NYT style op-ed pieces because the styles conflict. But the last problem is probably the killer; Clio Belle Weisman has a minimum of three graduate degrees. There's actually a paper "Functional Family Therapy" you can find via Google that Weisman appears to have written, and a followup paper Weisman is primary author on, both of which at least have citations.

This article has no citations at all. Between that and the fact that every social media account attached to the name is an inactive stub, I suspect the author is being falsely attributed.

Even if every claim the article makes is true, it's only hearsay without citations. Heck, we can't even prove this article is not written by ChatGPT.

The audio clips are available in GrimJim's channels, I think. These are 15 damming minutes, but then again where is the rest?

(also, they are posted in this thread by a mysterious guy - with only 3 posts - that then disappeared)

I do agree the article feels strange.

I don't know about the author, Clio Belle Weisman seems to have a small internet footprint, as I've mentioned. Looking at her almost inactive twitter (and followers, followed), I cannot tell wether this is hear actual account. Some tweets seem legit. But I don't know.

The article wasn't "posted anonimously tro some internet forums" it was published in the author's Medium and then taken down together with the audio clips.

Now, let's say it's a fake: Why, What purpouse, Who benefits?

To incite the harassment of the named persons? By whom? And who benefits from faking it?

The only named innocent victim is Zak, but he seems to be doing a fine job of suing the slanderers, so has no need for such a fake.

Not a single leftard would benefit from it nor would they dream of presenting Zak as an innocent victim.

Occam's Razor, which conclusion needs the least logical jumps?

Medium is not exactly a financial institution running KYC, and there isn't a single other article on that account to verify that this is the same person. It's a one-off.

Like I said, the real problem is that the article has zero citations (apart from audio which no skeptic will see as necessarily damning) so even if it is completely true, it is also completely useless at actually changing Zak S's situation, much less the larger situation of the industry. It isn't like I doubt the things in the article can't be true. But the article itself isn't skeptic-proof investigative journalism. It doesn't even give me the leads to do the investigative journalism myself with. It's just...a dead end. The article is almost an hour of reading and it effects a rhetorical cul de sac.

That's because you want it to be false, and this is just a lame excuse.  You have audio of people saying that they targeted and harassed someone via industry contacts, and you want "citations"?  Of what?  What kind of journal article is going to carry more weight than a person's own admissions?

This reminds me of the retards at Wikipedia.  The subject of an article can write in that the article gets his birthday wrong and the smooth brains there will object to changing it because primary sources aren't allowed.  Citations are a tool; accuracy is a goal.  The presence or absence of citations doesn't  make something accurate or not.  The most it can do is ease the process of confirming the accuracy of something.  This is scientism at its worst.

Quote from: Eirikrautha on January 29, 2024, 12:04:47 AM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 11:25:34 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on January 28, 2024, 07:57:19 PM

Quote from: Eric Diaz on January 28, 2024, 06:52:49 PM

Quote from: Fheredin on January 28, 2024, 05:20:00 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 28, 2024, 04:25:29 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on January 27, 2024, 12:19:42 PM
There are several things weird about this article...

That is an understatement.

I think I can put my finger on the problem; it isn't just that the audio clips are missing--although they link to a Soundcloud which is completely empty--but that this is supposedly an article put together by a lady with three graduate degrees, she spent four years putting it together...and there are absolutely no citations for anything.

I don't actually think this article was written by "Clio Belle Weisman."

There's no obvious professional reason to write a big article like this, let alone to post it, post it on a few forums, and then to take it down a few hours later like something special happened behind the scenes. It's also written in more an NYT Op-Ed slander piece style than an academic style. Rest assured a scholarly article author like Weisman would struggle to write NYT style op-ed pieces because the styles conflict. But the last problem is probably the killer; Clio Belle Weisman has a minimum of three graduate degrees. There's actually a paper "Functional Family Therapy" you can find via Google that Weisman appears to have written, and a followup paper Weisman is primary author on, both of which at least have citations.

This article has no citations at all. Between that and the fact that every social media account attached to the name is an inactive stub, I suspect the author is being falsely attributed.

Even if every claim the article makes is true, it's only hearsay without citations. Heck, we can't even prove this article is not written by ChatGPT.

The audio clips are available in GrimJim's channels, I think. These are 15 damming minutes, but then again where is the rest?

(also, they are posted in this thread by a mysterious guy - with only 3 posts - that then disappeared)

I do agree the article feels strange.

I don't know about the author, Clio Belle Weisman seems to have a small internet footprint, as I've mentioned. Looking at her almost inactive twitter (and followers, followed), I cannot tell wether this is hear actual account. Some tweets seem legit. But I don't know.

The article wasn't "posted anonimously tro some internet forums" it was published in the author's Medium and then taken down together with the audio clips.

Now, let's say it's a fake: Why, What purpouse, Who benefits?

To incite the harassment of the named persons? By whom? And who benefits from faking it?

The only named innocent victim is Zak, but he seems to be doing a fine job of suing the slanderers, so has no need for such a fake.

Not a single leftard would benefit from it nor would they dream of presenting Zak as an innocent victim.

Occam's Razor, which conclusion needs the least logical jumps?

Medium is not exactly a financial institution running KYC, and there isn't a single other article on that account to verify that this is the same person. It's a one-off.

Like I said, the real problem is that the article has zero citations (apart from audio which no skeptic will see as necessarily damning) so even if it is completely true, it is also completely useless at actually changing Zak S's situation, much less the larger situation of the industry. It isn't like I doubt the things in the article can't be true. But the article itself isn't skeptic-proof investigative journalism. It doesn't even give me the leads to do the investigative journalism myself with. It's just...a dead end. The article is almost an hour of reading and it effects a rhetorical cul de sac.

That's because you want it to be false, and this is just a lame excuse.  You have audio of people saying that they targeted and harassed someone via industry contacts, and you want "citations"?  Of what?  What kind of journal article is going to carry more weight than a person's own admissions?

This reminds me of the retards at Wikipedia.  The subject of an article can write in that the article gets his birthday wrong and the smooth brains there will object to changing it because primary sources aren't allowed.  Citations are a tool; accuracy is a goal.  The presence or absence of citations doesn't  make something accurate or not.  The most it can do is ease the process of confirming the accuracy of something.  This is scientism at its worst.

Sadly we live in the post fake audio/video age, the audio files aren't 100% proof positive of anything. Especially not without the author's backing the article.