Here is another little gem the letter she sent to the BBC complaining that they did not roll out the red carpet for her. No doubt she had zero problem any other time (which these days is most of the time)  the BBC reported as news something they scooped off twitter without do anything remotely like an investigation.  Something about Catholic School boys springs to mind.

Here is another little gem the letter she sent to the BBC complaining that they did not roll out the red carpet for her. No doubt she had zero problem any other time (which these days is most of the time) the BBC reported as news something they scooped off twitter without doing anything remotely like an investigation. Something about Catholic School boys springs to mind.  

Given the description in  the programme how did she come  to the conclusion it was  1990s Mystery maybe something like Hetty Wainthropp Investigates.
 
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Quote from: Omega;1090655In retrospect is was VERY not something wise to run at a family friendly con.

How many kids get from the main event area to the Hilton over a mile way?

What a hypocrite. Even though when she first tweeted about her bad experience ahe kept Rolfe name hidden yet felt it was all well and good to post it all over social media, without asking Rolfe permission if it would be okay.  

Now the same is being done to her and suddenly because it is her it is both an invasion of privacy and not ok to talk about it.

Talk about your double standards. Rolfe to me is a still a clueless idiot yet she is no better.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090854If you want a family friendly con, you don't have 18+ events. You limit games to PG-13 themes and your vendors don't sell products from R-rated IPs in the dealers room. Otherwise, you're full of shit and just using "family friendly" as a marketing slogan.

That's rather puritanical.  And - that puritanism is exactly the American cultural problem that's at the heart of the intensity of the SJW-crusade.

In the UK, we never had the puritanical Prohibition and we're happy to drink alcohol in pub gardens and conventions alike with kids running around while the adults have their fun and the kids theirs.

In the UK, we have pantomimes that are aimed at kids but always have a thread of blue humour based mainly on innuendo (and who doesn't like something in their end-eh?). The kids laugh at the slapstick and the jokes they get. The adults laugh at the jokes for them that the kids don't get. (You know, the Principal Boy always likes a warm hand on her entrance).  

Please dump your puritan cultural shit on US conventions. Leave ours alone and consider that your core attitude overlaps with the SJWs when you tell others how they can have their fun.

Quote from: jhkim;1090837Hehehe. Sauce...

So I don't know this dude - I'd want to hear more from other people who knew him before judging. But I find the diarrhea explanation offputting at best.

Yeah, cons have a lot of eccentric personalities. But there is a point at which someone's eccentricity / bad taste / bad judgement goes too far, such that it detracts from people's enjoyment. I don't know enough to decide about this guy, but it's possible for someone to be at that point. If I was in charge of the con, I don't need to look inside their soul to see if they're really pure or not - I'm just deciding for my event. If they're detracting from the event, then I'd ban them. For their personal games, people can decide for themselves if they want to play with him or not.

So if he did run the same event a second time, and mentioned the diarrhea properly this time...is he of course making up lies to cover himself the second time around?

Did anyone actually say the GM told them their characters were raped, or is that just what they were assuming?

QuoteDid anyone actually say the GM told them their characters were raped, or is that just what they were assuming?

If what Rolfe said in the Grim interview is correct and to be believed, he failed to describe the scene in full, which led to some of the players inferring their characters had been raped. Now, did Rolfe omit the diarrhea bit accidentally as claimed, or was it deliberate for the shits and giggles? He says its the former, but I have a sneaky suspicion it was the latter. Either way, an impression was created that triggered the complaint, that's triggered meltdown of gaming as we know it, and possibly heralds the End of Days. But there does not appear to have been a situation where Rolfe explicitly said "Your characters have been raped"; it's based on this one particular scene, and the interpretation of it.

Gathering all the evidence together, including the original game posting at UKGE, I remain of the following opinion.

1. The game was poorly described to begin with
2. Rolfe was a prick for running this kind of edgy game at a con of this kind without full upfront disclosure in the con blurb
3. These failures lead to a bait & switch situation where the players paid to play in a game with a certain set of expectations, and then found themselves in something much different to advertized
4. Rolfe contributed to the impression taken away by the players either deliberately or through omission. Either way he handled it badly and seems to have extracted a certain degree of satisfaction from the at-table reactions
5. The players had a right to complain: they felt both misled and upset at what they took away from the game
6. UKGE investigated, took action based on that investigation, and that should be the end of it. Rolfe claims to have a recording of the session and will appeal. That's good news. It may clear things up properly. Depends on the recording
7. The Woke Hive Mind at TBP, once stirred into action, and having been soundly fucking thwarted over SJG/Bill Webb Gate, have a new casus belli and so will milk this for all its fucking worth. It's What They Do. A transgressor cannot be forgiven ever, and must be branded on the forehead, made to wear a hair shirt, and preferably volunteer for a lifetime shift in the fucking salt mines, rather than be allowed to admit they fucked up, be given an appropriate punishment, and then allowed to get the fuck on with their life.

And so the fucking wheel grinds on.

Quote from: Gagarth;1090861How many kids get from the main event area to the Hilton over a mile way?

Depends on if they might be staying at the Hilton with their families or visiting the Hilton for the other live show events. Last year there was a show by basically a geek magician that was maths jokes, gamer jokes, stuff with Rubics cube and lots of clever magic/memory stuff; entirely kid friendly IIRC. The guy who does The Dark Room also somewhat changes his tone according to the time of day and the audience.

I have to say though that if I had been playing a different RPG in the room where that RPG was running then I don't think I'd have been really too worried about my kids being in the room at another table.  When you look at an RPG from a distance it's mostly people having a conversation at a table with the added bonus of numbers occasionally being exclaimed: "Twenty", "O - Five" (etc.).  

OK - you might have pictures or miniatures that could be "inappropriate"? But really, I think the idea that you can't have kids at one table in a room because of the nature of conversations at another table is a bit odd. Would you apply that to a restaurant?  

Now, if the problem was a lot of effing-and-blinding from the players in a loud and inappropriate manner then OK that might be intrusive and unwelcome for young ears but I'd suggest that would depend on the players and not the game.  It's pretty much just as likely  for any game?

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1090880Now, did Rolfe omit the diarrhea bit accidentally as claimed, or was it deliberate for the shits and giggles?

So to speak.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1090880that's triggered meltdown of gaming as we know it, and possibly heralds the End of Days.

Quote from: JMcL63;1090856Essex boys were infamous in, IIRC, the 1990s, as particularly laddish youth and young men from the county of Essex in southern England- real dudebros if you will. Club 18/30 was an actual holiday company (which only ceased trading last year), which sent young people, aged 18-30 (surprise) on package holidays to typical party island destinations. One third of customers- average age 19-  were travelling on holiday without their parents for the first time. As you can imagine, these holidays were infamous for drinking and sex. Think 'spring break' if you will. So "grubby little Essex boys" on a "club 18/30" holiday conjures up an image of excess and debauchery. Add in the Inbetweeners references that Gagarth so helpfully provided, and you get an idea of what the GM had in mind when he conceived his scenario.

So, as long as we're dealing with implied things, it looks like the description implied there would be sexual content of a juvenile nature.

Quote from: Gagarth;1090861How many kids get from the main event area to the Hilton over a mile way?

They are worried about kids and being "family friendly" ?   Wait...aren't these the same people that think its perfectly ok for a guy in a dress to be in the Ladies Room ?

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1090880If what Rolfe said in the Grim interview is correct and to be believed, he failed to describe the scene in full, which led to some of the players inferring their characters had been raped. Now, did Rolfe omit the diarrhea bit accidentally as claimed, or was it deliberate for the shits and giggles? He says its the former, but I have a sneaky suspicion it was the latter. Either way, an impression was created that triggered the complaint, that's triggered meltdown of gaming as we know it, and possibly heralds the End of Days. But there does not appear to have been a situation where Rolfe explicitly said "Your characters have been raped"; it's based on this one particular scene, and the interpretation of it.

It's also worth noting that, if we do take Grim's interview at face value (and why not?), there was no talk of rape at all at the table, not even in the post session chat. So the 'gang rape' interpretation of the offending scene appears to have come entirely after the fact, and it was first aired in Anjuli's anguished tweet- https://twitter.com/GeekGirlBookWrm/status/1134503931932024832. Curiouser and curiouser, maybe?

Was I the only person that thought the characters were waking from an encounter with aliens? Aliens that own a van...

Quote from: JMcL63As you can imagine, these holidays were infamous for drinking and sex. Think 'spring break' if you will. So "grubby little Essex boys" on a "club 18/30" holiday conjures up an image of excess and debauchery. Add in the Inbetweeners references that Gagarth so helpfully provided, and you get an idea of what the GM had in mind when he conceived his scenario.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090894So, as long as we're dealing with implied things, it looks like the description implied there would be sexual content of a juvenile nature.

juvenile sexual content =/= PCs roofied and raped

Those are two very different content warnings. The former could be a wacky sex comedy about 18-year-olds on break trying to score, which is very different content from PCs roofied, raped, and hunted down. The GM was apparently picturing The Inbetweeners from his interview - but it isn't mentioned in the description.

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;10908801. The game was poorly described to begin with
2. Rolfe was a prick for running this kind of edgy game at a con of this kind without full upfront disclosure in the con blurb
3. These failures lead to a bait & switch situation where the players paid to play in a game with a certain set of expectations, and then found themselves in something much different to advertized
4. Rolfe contributed to the impression taken away by the players either deliberately or through omission. Either way he handled it badly and seems to have extracted a certain degree of satisfaction from the at-table reactions
5. The players had a right to complain: they felt both misled and upset at what they took away from the game
6. UKGE investigated, took action based on that investigation, and that should be the end of it. Rolfe claims to have a recording of the session and will appeal. That's good news. It may clear things up properly. Depends on the recording
7. The Woke Hive Mind at TBP, once stirred into action, and having been soundly fucking thwarted over SJG/Bill Webb Gate, have a new casus belli and so will milk this for all its fucking worth.

Yeah, I agree with this. For what it's worth, here were the two reactions of players in the game that I saw. (I hadn't seen them linked recently.)

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1134606036663508997
https://twitter.com/GeekGirlBookWrm/status/1134503931932024832