Quote from: Spinachcat;1090670The UKGE claims to be a "family friendly con" which is a laughably bullshit marketing spam.

It is a family friendly con.

I didn't attend this year but for the last few years I've attended with my partner and kids. They run intro to RPG sessions for young kids - for ages 8 - 11 (I think). [My daughter was too old - and already a roleplayer so didn't join in for that.]  They run board game sessions to teach new or interresting board games to families. This is/was done by an organisation that runs after school clubs for playing board games. We - the family - discovered Hey That's My Fish in one of their sessions a few years ago.

It is very noticeable how many family groups you see wandering around the trade hall. Meanwhile the roleplaying is mostly in the Hilton - in smallish rooms. That's a hotel (obvs!)  - there's bars and food.  I think it's perfectly possible to be a business - hotel or convention - that is family friendly and simultaneously serves child and adult interests.

The lengths RPGnet will go to shit all over those it deems non-people is amazing. God I hope the recording comes out soon, that'll put a pretty solid end to the whole thing no matter who is right.

Quote from: Autumnborn;1090678The lengths RPGnet will go to shit all over those it deems non-people is amazing. God I hope the recording comes out soon, that'll put a pretty solid end to the whole thing no matter who is right.

If it doesn't favour the Rpgnet view then they'll just ignore it and ban anyone who attempts to bring it up.

That much ought to be clear by now.

Quote from: Omega;1090655So he did have a synopsis as a handout or something? That changes a-lot. The claims were that he did none of that. No warning. Whammo!

Still seems not something wise to tun at a family friendly con.

In retrospect is was VERY not something wise to run at a family friendly con.

The synopsis would have been on the website and  they have conveniently deleted them and the title alone "Oi Oi Savaloy" should have been a major clue to any one with half a brain this was not going be standard Things from the Flood scenario.  It is a bit like someone signing up to a Kult scenario with the title "Scubby Doo on Mystery Island" and then complaining it wasn't vanilla Kult.  Also by the look it the TRPGs where not on the main floor (edit:see post 3 up confirming this) and you would think the con staff would have a all the 18+ games in one room .

Quote from: Anselyn;1090676It is a family friendly con.

Why is a "family friendly" con approving 18+ content?

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090706Why is a "family friendly" con approving 18+ content?

They are calling university students kids nowadays.

Seriously tho, it doesn't jive, you have to pick one or the other, or have a special room for the 18+ content.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1090641Really? Because going with the flow strikes me as textbook human behavior.

True. That's because in most instances the discomfort of challenging the flow is greater than the discomfort caused by accepting it at that moment. But if, by definition, your discomfort wasn't enough to drive you to speak up, then I have a hard time believing that discomfort constitutes such a trauma as to justify the kind of excessive response seen here.

If you only tell the chef the meal was too spicy for your taste after you completely finish it, the restaurant is under no obligation to give you your money back.

Quote from: Anselyn;1090676It is a family friendly con.

Did they have Game of Thrones merchandise? I bet they did. Additionally, as an aside, I wonder how many players of that con game have been watching every GoT episode religiously.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090646Or maybe he (Grim) has had way too much idiots reading that infamous article headline and didn't bother to read the rest just ran with it to destroy him. SOP for the woke crowd.

If we are to excuse Grim's behavior, then we need to excuse those idiots' behavior too, because both are attacking strawmen and leaving out details which contradict their assessments.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090648What is the game THINGS FROM THE FLOOD that the Naughty GM was running?

Anyone know anything specific? Is the game normally on the creepy side? Kinda like Kult? Or it more like Chill?

Great game from Fria Ligan most concisely described as:

• Tales from the Loop: First part of "Steven King's: IT"
• Things from the Flood: Second part of "Steven King's: IT"
  

Quote from: Tanin Wulf;1090663I remember a very old saying, "When everyone around you seems to be an ass hole, the problem may not be with them."

While statistically sound, the exact opposite has been true in my experience.

But maybe that's because I know I'm an asshole

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090670The UKGE claims to be a "family friendly con" which is a laughably bullshit marketing spam, but they clearly offer people the option to run 18+ games which by their very definition, won't be family friendly.

Good point.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090670Body Horror is a sexually invasive genre. Look at Alien.

The license of which is ironically held by the same publisher who published the game the GM in question ran.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090670The monster shoves its dick down your throat and its baby bursts out your chest.

A dick I may add, which comes out of a spider vagina.

The secret to #Alien's success is that it took advantage of so many primal anxieties.

Quote from: Autumnborn;1090678God I hope the recording comes out soon, that'll put a pretty solid end to the whole thing no matter who is right.

Sadly I think the recording would just get everything started all over again.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1090710True. That's because in most instances the discomfort of challenging the flow is greater than the discomfort caused by accepting it at that moment. But if, by definition, your discomfort wasn't enough to drive you to speak up, then I have a hard time believing that discomfort constitutes such a trauma as to justify the kind of excessive response seen here.

If you only tell the chef the meal was too spicy for your taste after you completely finish it, the restaurant is under no obligation to give you your money back.

Great point.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1090743Great game from Fria Ligan most concisely described as:

• Tales from the Loop: First part of "Steven King's: IT"
• Things from the Flood: Second part of "Steven King's: IT"
  

So, one should only have a sex scene between the underage PCs in Things From The Flood?

An no game can have PC's killing anything. That's murder! REDRUM!

No way I am going to be a GM at an UK or USA convention. Nope.

I agree with Grim Jim: one of these days the SJWs will have blood on their hands (metaphorically speaking).

Quote from: Lychee of the Exchequer;1090765No way I am going to be a GM at an UK or USA convention. Nope.

I agree with Grim Jim: one of these days the SJWs will have blood on their hands (metaphorically speaking).

They already do, at least two innocent men committed suicide because of one false allegations and the other allegations without proof thanks to the poundmetoo asshats, the first in Argentina his GF accused him and latter admitted it was a lie, but the guy killed himself thanks to the woke brigade. The other here in México an artist killed himself because nobody would believe in him after being accused without proof by the woke crowd.

And this are the ones I know of, there are probably more.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090179Besides it being an horror 18+ game what other warning do they need?

When you bend the knee for the small seemingly reasonable requests you get the unholy inquisition.

Only right the player has is to quit the game.

Their calls for tolerance, inclusivity, restraint, modesty and sensitivity are but a disguise for them to get the power  to control what you're allowed to do always.

I didn't bend the knee to the Christian censors, not gonna do it to the SocJus Cult zealots.

The problem here started with a socially maladjusted nitwit who thinks that anyone who jumps in to an R 18 rated game (and doesn't realize his subject matter is NC-17) should know what's coming to them. Fucking christ have some common sense and tell your players what to expect first!  If this logic doesn't make much sense, consider the following: Deadpool, John Wick and Basic Instinct are R rated movies. But movies with graphic rape are usually unrated or NC 17. Of the three movies I mention: one movie my eight year old wants to see but can't (Deadpool) unless I stand in front of the TV and turn down the volume about twenty times, a second is R rated and perfectly fine for him to see (John Wick), and the third one he doesn't know exists and will probably watch in his mid teens when the parents are out of the house. But at no point do any of these movies grapple with a bunch of teens being sexually abused and gang raped. I have to look through a mess of mostly unrated, triple X and NC-17 content films for that sort of content.

As a 48 year old adult white straight male atheist who is extremely pro free speech and thinks the illusion of left/right has turned our contemporary dialogue into retarded nonsense, even I can see that this guy was in the wrong.*


EDIT: okay after typing that it's not really fair to compare films to verbal game content, but consider this: if you're going to have graphic and potentially troubling content at the table, at least state up front as any common sense product does that something bad is coming. It gives people a chance to opt out right away, especially over subjects that can relate a potential player to a real life trauma. My point above is that "18+" does not equal "you're old enough for the rapes, my friends." If you or this GM don't relate to that sentiment, then consider yourselves to have led charmed lives.

EDIT 2: I'm not interested in the "social shaming" and other SJW garbage, which I hate. But as always one way for people to get better results in social situations is to reflect some sort of social awareness and realization that just because this guy is so enmeshed in violent concepts that it doesn't mean his players are, or even realize it's his target. This is a two way street; people need to take more personal responsibility on both sides, with the player accepting they can walk away from the table (as you indicate) but the GM also realizing he should be clear in his story intent before hand.


*He's not wrong for his content. He's wrong for not explaining his intent in a collaborative experience where different people can have very different notions of what "18+" means. As I said, I'm 48 and I would politely bow out of a game with the content he was offering as I don't find that shit in the least bit entertaining or pleasant, and I'm not even someone who might have experienced such trauma in real life; I just don't need that sort of crap in my imaginary entertainment experience.


EDIT 3: okay I feel its important to make sure anyone starting this thread ends with this:
https://postmortemstudios.wordpress.com/2019/06/04/rpg-interview-with-kevin-rolfe-uk-games-expos-infamous-gang-rape-games-master/

Because now I think the real subject is, "How to narrate as a GM and mitigate confusion with your players."

Quote from: camazotz;1090779But at no point do any of these movies grapple with a bunch of teens being sexually abused and gang raped.

And apparently neither did the game in question!