Oy vey, this is EXACTLY why I put "MATURE AUDIENCES ONLY" on my not PG-13 games.

Years ago, I ran a Stormbringer one-shot where the PCs began crucified and dying. I had a player lose his crap which made no sense because obviously that situation was going to change by outside forces for the session to continue.

I've not done "covered in your own shit" before, but I've definitely done "you wake up in a bad place, how did you get here? how do you get out?"

Quote from: Anon Adderlan;1090641#Literally



Then there's a record which leaves no doubt as to what really happened. And if his accusers attempt to block its release we'll know they have an agenda.



Perhaps that's why he forgot to mention it



Standard operating procedure really.



Yeaaah I'm sorta there too.

I ultimately believe he was well aware of the possible implications, and deliberately left things ambiguous to provoke the imagination of the players like good horror writers do. But that only means he's being held liable for how someone interpreted his work, and if that's a thing then no art can survive.



Really? Because going with the flow strikes me as textbook human behavior.







They were however preserved on the Google cache.

• The day Thatcher came to town
  
• Oi, Oi, Savaloy (+18)
  
• "Sorted for E's and Whizz" (+18)
  

A large part of the problem is, much like his detractors, I don't think he has one.

Thanks for the links

Or maybe he (Grim) has had way too much idiots reading that infamous article headline and didn't bother to read the rest just ran with it to destroy him. SOP for the woke crowd.

Quote from: soltakss;1090528By the way, does anyone think what the DM did was a good thing and he shouldn't have been sanctioned for it?

No. Because it isnt a good thing unless you are at an explicitly adult con where it would be ok. Anywhere else? No. You just do not fuck with people like that out of the blue unless they ask you to. Especially in an RPG.

Oh but there are a select few who would have seen this as GREAT! These are the sorts who obsess over "muh immershun!" and cannot stand any sort of pre-game discussion, outline, any of that. I've had to deal with quite a few of these types. Some way the hell off the deep end. I was once told that "My character meets your character" was "too much plot!"... well the new "plot" is your character, and you, are now out of the session.

But yes at a con where such adult themes are ok or theres a room set aside for mature sessions then running such a thing is ok. Springing it on unsuspecting players is the diametric opposite of ok except in some specific cases where the players actually request this or the RPG somehow has these themes baked in such that everyone knows what might be on the line.

I think one example might be the Cyberpunk 2020 horror setting Nights Edge. Any given White Wolf RPG, and one or two of the more obscure violence/vice driven ones out there.

What is the game THINGS FROM THE FLOOD that the Naughty GM was running?

Anyone know anything specific? Is the game normally on the creepy side? Kinda like Kult? Or it more like Chill?

By the reading of the links provided by Anon Adderlan this one seems to be the game : https://archive.is/maGib

"Due to the PC's being Grubby little teenage boys on a club 18/30 holiday, am saying this is an 18+ event. it maybe messy "

Well that turned out to be true, prophetic and an understatement:

True: They wake up with sore bums and covered in shit.

Prophetic: Look the fine mess it managed to stir.

Understatement: What a fucking huge mess this little game managed to stir. Hopefully he has that recording and it poves his innocence, it would be another nail in the woke morons cult coffin.

Should Mature Audiences not be 18+ anymore? Maybe list the games as 30+?

At what age in 2019 can we assume people can handle their own issues?

65?

Quote from: kythri;1090568Grim interviewed the dude:

https://postmortemstudios.wordpress.com/2019/06/04/rpg-interview-with-kevin-rolfe-uk-games-expos-infamous-gang-rape-games-master/?fbclid=IwAR1Nm94V5kTvvcoXxZxPM25UZozfTUUmUzUduFHt8eKoY6lF4oa8cXg_KhA

He claims he's got a recording of the session, and that these are false accusations.

If that is the case then why did he act so weird afterwards?

But if it was a frame up of the DM then anyone want to place bets that the person who did it is not punished at all?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090651Should Mature Audiences not be 18+ anymore? Maybe list the games as 30+?

At what age in 2019 can we assume people can handle their own issues?

65?

It depends on how woke they are, the wokier they get the more you have to push maturity towards death bed. Haven't we seen 30+ and even 60+ woke morons shitting on their pants because $hillary lost?

Quote from: Omega;1090652But if it was a frame up of the DM then anyone want to place bets that the person who did it is not punished at all?

In 2019? I'd bet that if its 100% proven as a frame-up, the asshat won't be punished and the ban on the GM probably won't be lifted either.

Its just too easy to roll with the Twitter narrative.

Quote from: Gagarth;1090585Now that I have seen who made the complaint it is quite obvious that she had not read the scenario synopsis  (a major failing of a lot players) the snowflake obviously just saw Things from the Flood and automatically thought Things from the Flood->Tales from the Loop->Kids on bikes->Stranger Things->My little Pony.  As soon she turned up with the multi- coloured dreads alarm bells should have been ringing and he should have take himself off to bed instead.

So he did have a synopsis as a handout or something? That changes a-lot. The claims were that he did none of that. No warning. Whammo!

Still seems not something wise to tun at a family friendly con.

In retrospect is was VERY not something wise to run at a family friendly con.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090651Should Mature Audiences not be 18+ anymore? Maybe list the games as 30+?

At what age in 2019 can we assume people can handle their own issues?

65?

At this point? Who knows. People seem to be getting progressively stupider with each passing year, not just each generation now.

And according to that roster list yes you did have to pay a fee to sit down at the table.

THAT is likely why the players didnt walk. And one or more may have been willing to put up with some unpleasantness at the start if the rest of the session was good. Or didnt think it was as big an issue as the one player did?

Quote from: Omega;1090658At this point? Who knows. People seem to be getting progressively stupider with each passing year, not just each generation now.

I remember a very old saying, "When everyone around you seems to be an ass hole, the problem may not be with them."

Personally, I find this whole thing to be confusing and a non-issue that stirs up a pot of shit that, were I not to know any better, seems almost deliberately designed to get this site and TBP grumbling.

There's nothing confusing here.

1) GM lists his games as 18+ at the con with very limited info in his teaser blurb. UKGE approves his events.

2) GM runs a "body horror" rpg session where the PCs are somehow, perhaps mysteriously violated.

3) One player has an online hissy fit, lying about what happened in the game.

4) The UK MSM, an MSM even more fucked up than the USA MSM, runs with the liar's story and does zero actual journalism.

5) The usual suspects on social media screech for the GM to "suffer" for daring to run that game.

The important piece to note is #1. The UKGE claims to be a "family friendly con" which is a laughably bullshit marketing spam, but they clearly offer people the option to run 18+ games which by their very definition, won't be family friendly. And we know that the teaser blurb was approved by whoever runs their RPG section as the game was put on the con roster and fully approved.

Body Horror is a sexually invasive genre. Look at Alien. The monster shoves its dick down your throat and its baby bursts out your chest. Look at vampires. The monster gives you sexual ecstasy by sucking out your blood. But in the case of Vamps and Aliens, we keep a veneer of distance from the sexuality of the body horror. This GM? He abducted his PCs and they awoke with ass pains.

RPGs are about immersion. Immersion in public in a body horror game is going to cause some squick in some people. It's why its a poor genre to ever use at a convention with strangers.

Especially in our current era which has clearly gone full retard.

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090648What is the game THINGS FROM THE FLOOD that the Naughty GM was running?

Anyone know anything specific? Is the game normally on the creepy side? Kinda like Kult? Or it more like Chill?

It's the follow up to Tales from The Loop. Hence the mention of Loop in the GM's blurb.  Kickstarter details here:

https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1192053011/things-from-the-flood-sequel-to-tales-from-the-loo?ref=discovery&term=things%20from%20the%20flood


It says: "You're still balancing day to day life with solving exciting mysteries with your friends. But this is a darker time, and the stakes are higher." I can't find the word horror mentioned on the page.  

I'd say if Tales from The Loop is roughly Stranger Things then in Things the kids are older and it's Scooby Doo time. I don't think there's any implicit suggestions of any sexual content that would raise it to say Buffy the Vampire Slayer in terms of gang-of-kids expectations.