Just listened to the interview. Interesting.

It will also be interesting to see what happens after the UKGE folks review his statement and the recordings of the play session in question. From the description given in the interview, everything is gonna hinge on the 'you wake up in the back of a van, naked, handcuffed, and with sore assholes' part: how it was presented by the GM, how the players respond, questions asked and answered, context given, etc. There's still a lot missing, but this is important context.

We shall see. I think one thing is clear to me though: don't expect the SJW Stalinist Hive Mind to be prepared to revise their opinion or drop their pitchforks, even if he's fully exonerated. They don't do 'Forgiveness'.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1090589If the genre is gross-out dark comedy (and all the players knew this, or should have known this if they'd paid any attention to the blurb), well, diarrhea is funnier than rape (as any fan of the movie Bridesmaids can confirm).

Is the text of the game blurb posted anywhere?

Quote from: BrokenCounsel;1090594We shall see. I think one thing is clear to me though: don't expect the SJW Stalinist Hive Mind to be prepared to revise their opinion or drop their pitchforks, even if he's fully exonerated. They don't do 'Forgiveness'.

rpg.net is already dismissing the inverview because "Rape is fun!" Desborough was the interviewer.

Quote from: jhkim;1090596Is the text of the game blurb posted anywhere?

Unknown. I am unfortunately posting from work so cannot invest a great deal of time in searching. However, what I've read elsewhere suggests that at least a minimal description (clearly specifying at the very least 18+ age requirement) was available in the con program.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1090601Unknown. I am unfortunately posting from work so cannot invest a great deal of time in searching. However, what I've read elsewhere suggests that at least a minimal description (clearly specifying at the very least 18+ age requirement) was available in the con program.

Unfortunately, they may have removed the game from their listings. In the currently posted event schedule, there are only two games listed for "Things from the Flood", and they are run by a Darran Sims.

https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG5045

I can't see that anyone has saved the prior description.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090597rpg.net is already dismissing the inverview because "Rape is fun!" Desborough was the interviewer.

See, this is why I wanted to get the dude's side. That isn't REMOTELY an accurate portrayal of my position on the topic.

Quote from: GRIM;1090608See, this is why I wanted to get the dude's side. That isn't REMOTELY an accurate portrayal of my position on the topic.

In case anyone took that the wrong way, I meant it in a sarcastic tone.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090610In case anyone took that the wrong way, I meant it in a sarcastic tone.

Me thinks Grimm's sarcasm detector is a bit wonky

Quote from: jhkim;1090605Unfortunately, they may have removed the game from their listings. In the currently posted event schedule, there are only two games listed for "Things from the Flood", and they are run by a Darran Sims.

The GM is Kevin Rolfe, so clearly that's incorrect. I checked, and the pre-takedown event schedule was preserved by the Wayback Machine:
https://web.archive.org/web/20190514210802/https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/bookevents.php?category=rpg

There are 8 games GMed by Kevin Rolfe. Here are the 3 that were on Friday, and used either Tales from the Loop or Things from the Flood:

The day Thatcher came to town    Kevin Rolfe    Tales from the Loop       Friday    09:00am    1:00pm    6    0    £4.00    Event Full
Oi, Oi, Savaloy (+18)    Kevin Rolfe    Things from the Flood       Friday    3:00pm    7:00pm    6    1    £4.00    
"Sorted for E's and Whizz" (+18)    Kevin Rolfe    Things from the Flood    18    Friday    8:00pm    12:00pm    6    0    £4.00    Event Full

Unfortunately, the pages with the actual event descriptions weren't preserved by the Wayback Machine. And while those pages are still up on the Games Expo website, they only show some framing details. The descriptions are gone.
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG4816
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG4817
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG4818

Anyone have a screen shot of the actual game writeup in the UKGE website or con booklet?

EDIT - damn, between the time I started my reply to the thread and when I posted there were 2 more pages to the thread! D'oh!!

It would be good to see exactly what the players knew before the game.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090320Deal with interpersonal issues like adults, not children who need a hall pass to go to the fucking bathroom.

LOL. Expecting Millennials to act like adults after being helicoptered and coddled by their parents and schools into their twenties? Not gonna happen.

Dealing with your own shit on your own isn't a skill you learn in your 20s or 30s. As with most things Millennial, I blame their parents and their teachers.

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090572No gang rape at all of underage or otherwise characters, but it only exonerates him somewhat?

I still think his scenario kind of had disaster waiting to happen written all over it imo. It one thing to have player characters kidnapped and made to run for their lives. Handcuffed, nude and covered in shit is not something that many tables let alone players would be happy to be subjected to. Having read the interview a second time I get what kind of adventure he wanted to do. Yet not many including myself could pull it off properly at the game table. As well one needs the right players that one interviews ahead of time to make sure they are OK with it. I'm not sure the average con player is ready for that kind of out there rpg scenario Then again with an 18+ kind of rating it is something they should have expected. Yet my impression of the guy being social clueless still remains. The con may have acted very quickly in banning him yet welcome to the reality of new PC culture. I admit to make a rush judgement yet who here can say they never did the same,

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090575No fun. No purile jokes. No poo humor. Everyone be serious when playing make believe games!
Shit, this would be mild stuff for a game of Paranoia.

Myself and my gaming circle have a sense of humor. Except for a few suddenly Woke, Always been Leftists, believe whatever the SJWs spout at them. Where thankfully I  no longer game with. Or will no longer came with soon. Our characters being drugged, waking up naked, handcuffed and covered in shit is not the type of rpg or scenario we are remotely interested in playing in. Especially not run by Captain In-obvious " I forget to tell players important stuff" Rolfe.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1090597rpg.net is already dismissing the inverview because "Rape is fun!" Desborough was the interviewer.

No surprise from me. It is the same way the outrage over SJGames partnering with FFG dide down. Their attempts to kill of both companies kickstarters failed spectacularly and only showed how irrelevant they are to the hobby.

Quote from: GRIM;1090608See, this is why I wanted to get the dude's side. That isn't REMOTELY an accurate portrayal of my position on the topic.

Grim, please ask the GM to post the blurb he sent into the UKGE.

Also, if he has email back from UKGE approving his event.

I wonder how much the players knew before they signed up for the session.

Quote from: sureshot;1090624Myself and my gaming circle have a sense of humor. Except for a few suddenly Woke, Always been Leftists, believe whatever the SJWs spout at them. Where thankfully I  no longer game with. Or will no longer came with soon. Our characters being drugged, waking up naked, handcuffed and covered in shit is not the type of rpg or scenario we are remotely interested in playing in. Especially not run by Captain In-obvious " I forget to tell players important stuff" Rolfe.

So in a horror game, what topics and ideas do you think are a bad idea? Nudity, forced restraint, drugs and sometimes scat are all topics that come up frequently in horror stories.

Quote from: sureshot;1090624I still think his scenario kind of had disaster waiting to happen written all over it imo. It one thing to have player characters kidnapped and made to run for their lives. Handcuffed, nude and covered in shit is not something that many tables let alone players would be happy to be subjected to. Having read the interview a second time I get what kind of adventure he wanted to do. Yet not many including myself could pull it off properly at the game table. As well one needs the right players that one interviews ahead of time to make sure they are OK with it. I'm not sure the average con player is ready for that kind of out there rpg scenario Then again with an 18+ kind of rating it is something they should have expected. Yet my impression of the guy being social clueless still remains. The con may have acted very quickly in banning him yet welcome to the reality of new PC culture. I admit to make a rush judgement yet who here can say they never did the same,

Not me, I have been guilty of rushing to judge once or twice (dozen times) when I was younger, but time and dealing with the pearlclutching woke morons taught me not to.

Quote from: sureshot;1090624No surprise from me. It is the same way the outrage over SJGames partnering with FFG dide down. Their attempts to kill of both companies kickstarters failed spectacularly and only showed how irrelevant they are to the hobby.

And that's the saddest part, we're no longer surprised by their actions, I for one am resigned to never being able to see how low will they go since they always manage to sink even further.

The good news is that maybe (just maybe) some other publishers and maybe even cons will take notice of how irrelevant the neo-puritans are and start pushing back too.

Quote from: Catelf;1090527it may very well spring uncomfortable shit on your ass!

#Literally

Quote from: kythri;1090568Grim interviewed the dude:

https://postmortemstudios.wordpress.com/2019/06/04/rpg-interview-with-kevin-rolfe-uk-games-expos-infamous-gang-rape-games-master/?fbclid=IwAR1Nm94V5kTvvcoXxZxPM25UZozfTUUmUzUduFHt8eKoY6lF4oa8cXg_KhA

He claims he's got a recording of the session, and that these are false accusations.

Then there's a record which leaves no doubt as to what really happened. And if his accusers attempt to block its release we'll know they have an agenda.

Quote from: sureshot;1090569diarrhea just seemed really unnessary and imo uneeded element of the story.

Perhaps that's why he forgot to mention it

Quote from: jhkim;1090587it sucks that the BBC failed to get a statement from him for the story.

Standard operating procedure really.

Quote from: jhkim;1090587he claims that them waking up naked and handcuffed with their bums sore was supposed to represent their diarrhea from the drug - and he just forgot to say that they were covered in poo or otherwise give clues to this explanation.

I gotta say, that sounds fishy to me. It would certainly come across as rape to me, and I suspect the diarrhea explanation is an after-the-fact excuse to get out of trouble. Even if this was really what he intended at the time, I find it hard to believe that he wouldn't realize the implication of rape in that setup.

Yeaaah I'm sorta there too.

I ultimately believe he was well aware of the possible implications, and deliberately left things ambiguous to provoke the imagination of the players like good horror writers do. But that only means he's being held liable for how someone interpreted his work, and if that's a thing then no art can survive.

Quote from: Stephen Tannhauser;1090589if I thought that was what happened and I was bothered by it, I would have said something right there and then. That nobody claimed to have done so strikes me as fishy.

Really? Because going with the flow strikes me as textbook human behavior.

Quote from: jhkim;1090596Is the text of the game blurb posted anywhere?

Quote from: Spinachcat;1090616Anyone have a screen shot of the actual game writeup in the UKGE website or con booklet?

Quote from: Pat;1090614Unfortunately, the pages with the actual event descriptions weren't preserved by the Wayback Machine. And while those pages are still up on the Games Expo website, they only show some framing details. The descriptions are gone.
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG4816
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG4817
https://www.ukgamesexpo.co.uk/game.php?id=RPG4818

They were however preserved on the Google cache.

• The day Thatcher came to town
  
• Oi, Oi, Savaloy (+18)
  
• "Sorted for E's and Whizz" (+18)
  

Quote from: GeekyBugle;1090613Me thinks Grimm's sarcasm detector is a bit wonky

A large part of the problem is, much like his detractors, I don't think he has one.